It's hard for me to see this as anything other than taking control of the database and application away from Invelos, mainly due to users' being frustrated by a perceived neglect of the database and program from the developer(s).

I feel Invelos really needs to step in and give a ruling on whether this project is condoned or not. Personally I am suspicious of Mediadogg's agenda due to the commercial link he has continued to have in his signature.

I would recommend to Invelos to project a firm stance on this project before it picks up steam. I don't think it's a good idea for Invelos to condone this project. Instead, they should take note of the issues that are being addressed, and incorporate them into future version(s) of the program. This is their commercial product and they need to show an ownership of it, from both a practical and legal standpoint.

If mediadogg and others want to continue this project, they should proceed with a separate competing application. I strongly recommend that Invelos NOT allow this to be advertised and discussed on their own forums, nor to continue to allow commercial advertising in user signatures.

This may sound harsh to this community but you have to understand that I cannot think of any commercial software developer that would ever allow discussion of alternate application development and control, or commercial software advertising on company forums. I believe it is practical and sound advice for Invelos to "nip this in the bud" so to speak, before it becomes a very messy legal can of worms.

Quoting Grendell:

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I feel Invelos really needs to step in and give a ruling on whether this project is condoned or not. Personally I am suspicious of Mediadogg's agenda due to the commercial link he has continued to have in his signature.

(Edit: Done. See my post further down ...)

Well folks, time to call the question. I have uploaded the document labeled "Final", with most of the suggested edits. I know that there are still a couple of formatting glitches - I couldn't fix them.

I will open a support ticket requesting some kind of response from Invelos.

With that, my friends, I will take a welcome break from these activities. I might go back to debugging plugins, but I'm not even sure I'm in the mood for that right now.

Thanks to all. The greatest satisfaction I got from this was working with such a large number of creative, highly motivated, highly opinionated people, and we produced a positive result in a civil manner. It wasn't a cakewalk; even I got called on the carpet a couple of times - but no locked threads, and lots of deference, tolerance and restraint was exercised. Everybody - collective "pat on the back" and big hugs. 

Now enjoy this:

I replied to one of the support tickets with something similar to the above... was answered right away with....

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They're marked as answered when forwarded. I know that Ken is prepping two program releases right now, so they may not get an immediate response, but they're not being ignored.

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Big news. Got a most encouraging and positive response directly from Ken. I have asked for permission to repeat his reply here, unless he plans to do it himself. 

Still can't open or download the document. Can you put it on Dropbox or something else, thanks?

As usual I'm late for the parade

Great job on the document mediadogg and great to see Ken saw it and will certainly take into account some of our suggestion. At least I hope the Contribution Wizard idea from GSyen will be a possibility, you can bet I'll be back contributing with it and I'm sure others wouldl too.