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| Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,751 |
| | Posted: | | | | I don't mean my responses as condescending of any kind. I mean it for someone reading this thread who may not have picked up on it yet. And, it's my opinion and we all know what that's worth. | | | | Marty - Registered July 10, 2004, User since 2002. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | You might consider it condescending grendell, but as force noted he had trouble understanding what a single word in the rules meant, exactly. So the best approach is to clarify and stress that the best place for non-conforming data is only in his local. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | I don't see it as condescending either. I personally see it as no more then stating a fact for a person that may or may not realize it. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 23, 2011 | | Posts: 462 |
| | Posted: | | | | It does not make any sense to repeat an error two places in the database, first on the cover picture and second in the overview. Do you think repeating an error makes it right ?
To Grendell. Yes I agree. I think it is extremely condescending. Some of the people in here is repeating this over and over again to everyone they disagree with. Usually when they have no better arguments. | | | | Last edited: by No-way |
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| Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting force: Quote:
Usually when they have no better arguments. That is exactly the problem. People who want to have in their local exactly the cover have already this information with cover scans. Text data in the different fields of the program should allow sorting, filtering or linking, functions that do not work properly when we have spelling errors. This is not very problematic with words in overview, but becomes a nightmare as long as names are concerned. Unfortunately, I think the worse has already happened, and the online database is in such a deplorable state that it will nevermore be useful as a database (I mean with sorting, filtering and linking functions...). | | | | Images from movies |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | If the error is on the case... while repeating the error in the overview field doesn't make the error right... yes I think it is right to include the error in the overview window as well. As does invelos... as I showed that not only did they publish the rule... they even made it perfectly clear in a forum post (more then once).
What the overview field is for is to show exactly the overview on the back cover. And I for one would not change a thing about that rule. | | | | Pete | | | | Last edited: by Addicted2DVD |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting force: Quote:
It does not make any sense to repeat an error two places in the database, first on the cover picture and second in the overview. Do you think repeating an error makes it right ?
To Grendell. Yes I agree. I think it is extremely condescending. Some of the people in here is repeating this over and over again to everyone they disagree with. Usually when they have no better arguments. Ok force let me take a different tack. We have thousands of users and we have to have data standards so the users are not providing their own interpretations and applying their own preferences to the online. The online has seen that kind of disaster before. Its why rules were developed. Do what you want locally, follow the rules for the online, simple. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 5,734 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
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We catalog DVDs as they are, ...
Dvdprofiler ... The name is DVD Profiler. | | | | Don't confuse while the film is playing with when the film is played. [Ken Cole, DVD Profiler Architect] |
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| Registered: March 23, 2011 | | Posts: 462 |
| | Posted: | | | | I just don't understand why it is so important to collect errors. And not only one place, but two!
I have some questions for you.
How does this error help you in collecting, searching and sorting your movie collection? What good things does the error do ?
What valuable information does an error give you? Why do you prefer to collect errors instead of correct information about a movie ? Why can't you people keep this important errors in the local?
A database should contain correct information, not spelling errors! | | | | Last edited: by No-way |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Every collection software I have ever used.... and that is what this is a collection software... records correct and exact information for the item you are collecting... including any errors that is on the item you are collecting. Which is the way it should be.
When you look at the overview on the back cover... and see an error on the back cover. That error is part of the correct information for that release.
As for it being in 2 places. It is the same reason that we even have an overview field. You can't always see/read the overview on the cover scan itself. So we bring over what is on the back cover to the overview field. Including any errors that is on the back cover. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 5,734 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting force: Quote:
It does not make any sense to repeat an error two places in the database, first on the cover picture We could photoshop Cover Scans with spelling mistakes. | | | | Don't confuse while the film is playing with when the film is played. [Ken Cole, DVD Profiler Architect] |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting force: Quote:
I just don't understand why it is so important to collect errors. And not only one place, but two! It isn't about collecting errors, it is about collecting data accurate to the release. Like it or not, this is collection software and that is how collection software works. Quote:
I have some questions for you.
How does this error help you in collecting, searching and sorting your movie collection?
What valuable information does an error give you? Why do you prefer to collect errors instead of correct information about a movie ? Why can't you people keep this important errors in the local? All of those questions are irrelevant to this discussion. This is Ken's database and, if we want to contribute, we do so based on his rules. If you disagree with the rules, there are ways to get the rules changed...assuming, of course, Ken wants to change them. Quote:
A database should contain correct information, not spelling errors! Unfortunately, what is correct often depends on your point of view. You say it isn't correct because it is a spelling error. Ken, through the rules, says it is correct because it matches what is printed on the item being profiled. Both are valid opinions based on the point of view. From my point of view, I think Ken's method is the correct choice. I mean, why stop at spelling? I see grammatical errors all the time. Should I be allowed to correct those as well? I see overviews that I don't like because, in my opinion, they aren't really overviews. Should I be allowed to correct them as well? | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | I have explained this to you as simply ad possible. Who are you that you believe you have the mystical ability to determine what is correct. Over the years the film industry has specialized in deliberate errors for lots of reasons related to entertainment and you can discern that it is a mistake and not intentional. This user is not interested in having user interpreted data in the online and then watch as users submit, resubmit and submit some more their particular interpretation.
I repeat the place for your version of the data is your local and nowhere else. PERIOD. I am trying hard to be nice here. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 5,734 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
I mean, why stop at spelling? I see grammatical errors all the time. Should I be allowed to correct those as well? Sometimes a DVD has the "wrong" aspect ratio. | | | | Don't confuse while the film is playing with when the film is played. [Ken Cole, DVD Profiler Architect] |
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| Registered: March 31, 2007 |  Posts: 662 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
Who are you that you believe you have the mystical ability to determine what is correct. There's no need for 'mystical abilities', you could use a simple dictionary to correct spelling mistakes.  But I think this is a totally useless discussion. It seems most people want to have 'accurate data to a release', others want to have 'accurate data' in a more general way. DVD Profiler rules tell you to do it the first way if you want to contribute. There's no way around. | | |  |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Stand and take a bow, Stan.
The One thing that you missed is that the user can have it both ways. The online is correct to the data, the local can be correct to the users desires. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
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