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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | I am not even sure why we are talking common sense here... as I have said many times before... common sense isn't universal. It depends on how you were raised and the area you were raised in.
The point here is I am not doing anything wrong... I am following the rules as they are written.
As long as you set the disc ID in your profile with your disc this will not change your local as ken has an automatic lock on the disc ids. And if you never did this you don't even know if it matches the profile or not.
I really don't understand where all the fuss is coming from... I am contributing exactly as the rules tell me to.
Hopefully Ken sees this thread before too long (I did send a support ticket in for him to look at this thread)... and he can make an official statement one way or the other. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | I don't think you are doing anybody a disservice...as this really doesn't change anything for anybody...nor do I think you are doing anything wrong. I do, however, think it is counter intuitive to do what you are doing. For disc ID based profiles, it does seem to make more sense, at least to me, to have the disc IDs match.
The question I have is, and this is one for Ken, will what you are doing connect those disc IDs to the Box Set parent. If no, then this is a moot point as they should be set up in a way that allows that. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | I have to ask... why? what do you gain by having the disc IDs match?
I mean the way I am doing it... as I read the rules as I showed...
- You don't have to make multiple profiles for all the alternate disc IDs (and there is many... as I have done it this way many times before)
- Ken gets all the alternate disc IDs as he has in the rules to do... and stated in the forum that he wanted
What is gained by forcing people to create more profiles for the same exact information?
What is gained by the disc info field id matching the main key disc ID? I just don't see it to understand it. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
I have to ask... why? what do you gain by having the disc IDs match?
I mean the way I am doing it... as I read the rules as I showed...
- You don't have to make multiple profiles for all the alternate disc IDs (and there is many... as I have done it this way many times before)
- Ken gets all the alternate disc IDs as he has in the rules to do... and stated in the forum that he wanted
What is gained by forcing people to create more profiles for the same exact information?
What is gained by the disc info field id matching the main key disc ID? I just don't see it to understand it. I don't know that anything is gained by them matching, it just seems to make more sense that they do. While a single UPC can be associated with multiple disc IDs, a single disc ID can't be associated with multiple disc IDs. It isn't physically possible. Simply put, the UPC represents the case, and we list the different disc IDs that go into that case. The disc ID, however, represents the actual disc. No other discs can go into that disc. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | So nothing is gained... sounds like to me it is no more then a personal preference type thing. Which is fine for your local database. But the profiles in the online database must follow the rules.
I showed how the way I am doing it follows the rules... I asked to be shown how I am breaking the rules and no one has been able to do that.
So it seems to me I am getting no votes base only on personal preference? Votes are supposed to be based on the rules... not on personal preference.
Hopefully Ken will see that support ticket I opened here soon and will be able to either tell me he wants profiles per Disc ID and I would of course follow it... or he can say I am right.
Either way hopefully he will put an end to this one way or the other with some sort of statement. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 16, 2007 | | Posts: 278 |
| | Posted: | | | | What is gained is a new, accurate profile in the online database for that disc id. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | A completely unneeded one since there is already an exact match there.... especially when the rules themselves tell us to add the alternate disc IDs. They do not tell us to make an additional profile for each and every alternate disc ID.
Having multiple profiles that are exactly the same is not a gain... it is a waste. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
A completely unneeded one since there is already an exact match there.... especially when the rules themselves tell us to add the alternate disc IDs. They do not tell us to make an additional profile for each and every alternate disc ID. Actually, the rules say, "When contributing a title by UPC, make sure the UPC is entered in this format. Do not contribute titles with "made up" or otherwise inaccurate UPCs. If a title does not have a UPC, then add the title by Disc ID, using your DVD-ROM drive." This 'title' does not have a UPC so the rules do, in fact, tell us to create a profile for it.  Quote:
Having multiple profiles that are exactly the same is not a gain... it is a waste. The same could be said for multiple profiles where the only difference is the UPC so, for me, this is a non-issue. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | But there is already a profile there created by disc ID... it does not say anything about making additional ones for all the alternate disc IDs as well... it says to make the TV Series Child profiles per standard rules... and the standard rules says if your disc ID does not match the one already in the online database to change the disc id and submit it. It doesn't say to make another profile for that disc ID. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
But there is already a profile there created by disc ID... it does not say anything about making additional ones for all the alternate disc IDs as well... It also does not say not to make them, nor does it say anything about there being another profile created by a different disc ID, it simply says "If a title does not have a UPC, then add the title by Disc ID." This situation fits that rule. Quote:
it says to make the TV Series Child profiles per standard rules... and the standard rules says if your disc ID does not match the one already in the online database to change the disc id and submit it. It doesn't say to make another profile for that disc ID. The standard rules also say, if the title doesn't have a UPC, add it via disc ID. Nowhere is there an exception for titles that are already entered using a different disc ID. As I said earlier, we create a new profile when the only difference is the UPC, I don't know why this would be any different. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 20,111 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
The standard rules also say, if the title doesn't have a UPC, add it via disc ID. Nowhere is there an exception for titles that are already entered using a different disc ID. As I said earlier, we create a new profile when the only difference is the UPC, I don't know why this would be any different. I would agree. If a profile is entered by it's Disc ID (instead of the UPC) then that Disc ID is unique. If there is another Disc ID that differs from that one, it should be entered as a complete new Disc ID profile. Entering a new/different Disc ID in a profile that's already been entered into the database via its own unique Disc ID identifier just doesn't make much sense to me. If a user tries to add the disc(s) to their collection via the Disc ID's, it would make sense to have those already entered seperately in the database as different profiles. It's easier to find them. | | | | Corey | | | | Last edited: by Katatonia |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | I am sorry... I just do not believe the rules tells us to do that. I will be waiting for Ken to let me know what to do. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 3,197 |
| | Posted: | | | | If I came upon a disc ID profile where the disc info does not match the ID of the profile, I would treat it the same way I would treat a UPC profile where the cover scan doesn't match the UPC of the profile. I would assume it was an error and either try to correct it or flag the profile for removal from the database. | | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
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| Registered: May 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,934 |
| | Posted: | | | | I have to agree with Pete. According to the rules, since the only reason to use the DiscID is a unique ID in place of UPC/EAN.
That being said, I do see problems with it.
If I buy a dvd and my upc matches and DiscID doesn't, it is rather apparent.To find changes in DiscID profiles is not so easy.
I think, in the current environment, it will lead to inconsistencies in the DB. We will have some that will have multiple profiles, and some that will just have DiscID Changes.
I think the rules need to be clarified, I think multiple profiles would be the way to go, though each way has there problems... |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Which is why I decided to hold off and wait for an answer from Ken. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 5,491 |
| | Posted: | | | | I always lock off my disc ID as I never want them to be updated.. The whole point of Disc ID is for your PC to find and display .. If anyone wants to manually change them or have a secondary disc ID ( locality), and have them up for votes and they get accepted I always think this will now over ride my own disc ID .. bottom line find them .. lock them off . | | | In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.
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