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Original Title of "The Adventures of Tintin"? |
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| Registered: May 29, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | bbbbb, The answers you seek are easily found: Quoting bbbbb: Quote:
Quoting TheMadMartian:
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IMDb is not a valid source.
Why not? Rules: "The authoritative source for information submitted should be the DVD itself. Please don't submit content from a third party database, and always verify the specifications printed on the cover. In both cases, errors abound, so always verify the information directly from the DVD whenever possible." Quoting bbbbb: Quote:
Why not? Do you think IMDb got the Original Title wrong? The Original Title Rules do no forbid IMDb as a reference for titles released outside their country of origin. Would it be valid to reference to Wikipedia which references to IMDb? Would it be valid to use an Original Title I see on a movie image at IMDb? According to The Rules, what exactly are the valid sources to determine an Original Title for foreign films? On a more general basis, should we only have one Original Title per movie, or should we have several "Original Titles" of a movie, per profile? Rules: "Original Title The Original Title field serves two general purposes, but in both cases allows for the tracking of the original feature title. For profiles which have an alternate title displayed on the cover, use the title from the film's credits. For titles released outside their country of origin, use the original release title. In cases where the title is the original title, leave the Original Title field blank. •Foreign Films: The Original Title field will contain the original title for the main feature in the country of origin. i.e. A German DVD release for a film originally produced in the United States would have the German title in the Title field and the English title in the Original Title Field. •Modified Titles: The Original Title field will contain the original theatrical title, while the Title field will contain the title of the DVD release. For instance, for the Special Edition rerelease of There's Something About Mary: ?Title: There's Something More About Mary ?Original Title: There's Something About Mary" | | | | Last edited: by Kathy |
| | Registered: May 20, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,934 |
| | Posted: | | | | Here is the question.
For a foreign release, where are we supposed to get the original title? With editing of title cards, obviously the DVD/BD cannot always give us that information.
What sources would be valid?
Charlie |
| | Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting CharlieM: Quote:
Here is the question.
For a foreign release, where are we supposed to get the original title? With editing of title cards, obviously the DVD/BD cannot always give us that information.
What sources would be valid?
Charlie As far as I know we should take that information from the opeinging credits. If it wasn't listed, and since I don't buy foreign films that often, I would probably leave that data blank. If I was really interested and it wasn't in the credits, like any other data not taken from the DVD, multiple sources would be needed. When I run into areas I want to research, I often use TCM.com for their Original Print Info or the data from reputable news sources such as the New York Times. I would also check the American or British Film Institutes. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Bbbbb:
IMDb is a valid reference, that said knowing the errotors that abound on that site, I would never use them as dole source, nnor. Use a second thate used them. I look for independent sources. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
Bbbbb:
IMDb is a valid reference, that said knowing the errotors that abound on that site, I would never use them as dole source, nnor. Use a second thate used them. I look for independent sources. Skip hit the nail on the head. IMDb would be a valid reference, in conjunction with other sites, but not as a single source. The best source would be the official website, movie poster, etc. from the CoO. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | I am not surprised to find a different title internationally versus the domestic release. Not the first nor the last | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 5,734 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kathy: Quote:
The answers you seek are easily found Apparently, lazy Kathy. | | | | Don't confuse while the film is playing with when the film is played. [Ken Cole, DVD Profiler Architect] |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Kathy, please note that when you quote the rules that there is a major difference between using a source as a reference and submitting content from said source. IMDb is and always has been a viable reference source with the caveats I mentioned but we are not allowed to submit content from them or any.other third party source. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting bbbbb: Quote:
Quoting Kathy:
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The answers you seek are easily found
Apparently, lazy Kathy. I actually thought you were joking around but thought I'd steer you in the right direction if you weren't. I wouldn't call someone lazy if they weren't sure of something. As far as IMDb, I often use them as another resource. Although often maligned here, I find it more useful than DVD Profiler in many ways. I forgot about an official site, thanks TheMadMartian, that is one if the best resources out there. |
| | Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
Kathy, please note that when you quote the rules that there is a major difference between using a source as a reference and submitting content from said source. IMDb is and always has been a viable reference source with the caveats I mentioned but we are not allowed to submit content from them or any.other third party source. Actually this is not entirely accurate. A single third party source should never be used. But, multiple outside sources, including IMDb, are allowed and are often submitted to the database. Just look at the birth year thread for example. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | . | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kathy: Quote:
Quoting Winston Smith:
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Kathy, please note that when you quote the rules that there is a major difference between using a source as a reference and submitting content from said source. IMDb is and always has been a viable reference source with the caveats I mentioned but we are not allowed to submit content from them or any.other third party source.
Actually this is not entirely accurate. A single third party source should never be used. But, multiple outside sources, including IMDb, are allowed and are often submitted to the database. Just look at the birth year thread for example. Kathy I am confused. You make a statement referring to something being not entirely true and then parrot what I had said about IMDb and mulitiple sources. To what end was this statement made. Now unless ken has made a change in the rules, multiple sources are not required, even when using IMDb as a resource, though your opinion and mine are the same and consistent with good data. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
IMDb is and always has been a viable reference source with the caveats I mentioned but we are not allowed to submit content from them or any.other third party source. When I read this statement the "but" makes it seem that one is not allowed to submit any third party data. | | | | Last edited: by Kathy |
| | Registered: October 30, 2011 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 1,870 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting bbbbb: Quote:
Quoting TheMadMartian:
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IMDb is not a valid source.
Why not? Do you think IMDb got the Original Title wrong? The Original Title Rules do no forbid IMDb as a reference for titles released outside their country of origin. Would it be valid to reference to Wikipedia which references to IMDb? Would it be valid to use an Original Title I see on a movie image at IMDb? According to The Rules, what exactly are the valid sources to determine an Original Title for foreign films? On a more general basis, should we only have one Original Title per movie, or should we have several "Original Titles" of a movie, per profile? Mainly because the rules are pretty clear on the matter. From my inerpretation is the title is what is on the BD/DVD case and the original title is what is on the opening credits (if different). There are small exceptions for modified titles and foiegn films. But even foriegn films most still fit in the general rule. DVDP takes the stance that the source of record for the data element is the DVD itself. Not an external interpretation of the title. Done to keep data consistancy of the online database. We all need to remember this is a DVD profiling tool, not a movie profiling tool so the main source of record for the data elements is the DVD with very fiew exceptions that are used for cast and crew (as in allowances of credit versis credit as). |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | With dome exceptions whivh are spelled out in the rules ee are not allowed to submit data from a third party source. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 19, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 6,018 |
| | Posted: | | | | Beste source for the Original Title of a foreign movie would be the movie's official website in the country of origin or the website of the theatrical release studio in the country of origin. If none of those are available, I would try and find movie databases in the country of origin before resorting to the likes of IMDb, especially when transcription of non-latin characters is needed as well. | | | | Last edited: by dee1959jay |
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