The only way to contribute this according to today's Rules would be using a custom role.

When and if Ken ever goes to some form of open credits, it would be a simple matter to convert these custom roles in your local database.

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You are correct.  I have seen more than a few "Cast Name's Make-up by" credits.  Should those be removed from the database because the wording isn't included in the crew chart? 

Not only that, but the following screenwriter credits would also be invalid if we took that approach:

Written for the Screen by
Adapted for the Screen by
A Play for the Screen by

This would mean that such films as The Ten Commandments and The African Queen would not have screenwriter credits in the online database.

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Sometimes we are just too smart for our own good.

I agree,Lewis. But sadly these sorts of discussions and the attempt to rationalize their thoughts will continue until some form of open credits with wysiwyt. Eve then unless they are totally open wbedt ve my see users creating arguments that gadgets belong to art.

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Once more: Relevance?
We are not talking about permutations and/or the addition of adverbs, but we are talking about the addition of a Noun that qualifies as job descriptor.

Whether it be a permutation or an addition of an adverb or noun, they still aren't one of the roles listed, so it violates the strict meaning of the rule...which is, if it isn't listed, it's not allowed.

And what exactly does this have to do with the original problem?
It might be a problem, but it's definitely a different one than the one in the OP.

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Following your logic the "Assistant Editor" is allowed too. After all it's only one noun more.
Alas, it's a completely different job, but hey, that doesn't matter as long as I find the word "Editor".

Bad example as an assistant editor isn't, by definition, one of the "Principal Editors listed when credited together" so is forbidden by the rules...it is also, in my opinion, apples and oranges.  'Make-up Effects' is a make-up credit.  Just like make-up is done by a make-up artist, make-up effects are done by a make-up effects artist.  The fact that Ken neglected to include that word in the crew chart doesn't change anything for me.

In fact it's an excellent example, since scotthm came up with the other crew sections (Writing). I just applied his logic to another crew section where it was obvious that his logic is somewhat failing the problem. Which was exactly what I intended.

But to get your point somewhat straight:
The "Assistant Editor" is disallowed because in the rules it says that only "Principal Editors" are allowed.
The "Make-Up Effects Artist" is allowed even though it isn't mentioned in the crew charts and the rules explicitly tell us not to enter any credit that isn't to be found there?

Sorry but your logic fails me. It's either the rules or not the rules, not picking out the parts I like and ignoring the others.

Funnily I had to whistle the German title song of "Pippi Longstocking" while reading your post (text: Ich mach mir die Welt wie sie mir gefällt).

Again:
We basically agree that the crew-roles in question should be entered.
We basically agree that the rules in the current version do not cover this (Otherwise your point that Ken oversaw the "Artist" in this section wouldn't make sense at all).

We (as usual) do not agree on the consequences.
While I remain with the wording of the rules and come to the conclusion "Disallowed".
You try to construct an explanation what Ken might have meant and come to the conclusion "Allowed"

The problem I have here:
We cannot know what Ken might have intended.
We do not know if he simply oversaw the "Artist" or if he omitted it on purpose.
All we know is: It's not there. And this even though it explicitly appears in a quite comparable section.

IMO the only logic consequence from this: In the current version of the rules the Make-Up Effects Artist is disallowed. The rest can be solved in the rules request forum

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While I remain with the wording of the rules and come to the conclusion "Disallowed".

Do you also conclude that the following credits are "disallowed", since this wording is found nowhere in the crew table?

Written for the Screen by
Adapted for the Screen by
Screen Play by
From the Novel by
From the Play by
Recording Director
Musical Score
Art Direction
Production Designed by
Miss Hepburn's Costumes Designed by
Beaux Arts Ball Costumes Designed by

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While I remain with the wording of the rules and come to the conclusion "Disallowed".

Do you also conclude that the following credits are "disallowed", since this wording is found nowhere in the crew table?

Written for the Screen by
Adapted for the Screen by
Screen Play by
From the Novel by
From the Play by
Recording Director
Musical Score
Art Direction
Production Designed by
Miss Hepburn's Costumes Designed by
Beaux Arts Ball Costumes Designed by

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Why is it that you always distract from the topic?

The topic is "Make-Up Effects / Make-Up Effects Artist", please check posting 1 in this thread.
As already stated in my answer to the MadMartian your examples may be problems too but, if at all, only remotely related to the problem of the OP.

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Why is it that you always distract from the topic?

The topic is "Make-Up Effects / Make-Up Effects Artist", please check posting 1 in this thread.

I already addressed that issue in my first post, just as you did.

I said I would be willing to contribute "Make-up Effects Artist" as "Make-up Effects", and you said you would not vote "no" to such a contribution.  Any additional dialog was practically guaranteed to wander a little.

I"ve just been trying to figure out how much crew data you're willing to remove from the online database in order to adhere to your narrow interpretation of the crew table.

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