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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantAlien Redrum
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So we're on the same page, if the data is correct, we should still vote no on it? That's the gist here?
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Alfred Hitchcock (1899) director/actor/writer/producer
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000033/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Hitchcock
http://hitchcock.tv/bio/bio.html
http://www.hitchcock.nl/bio.htm
http://www.sensesofcinema.com/2005/great-directors/hitchcock/

Alfred Hitchcock (????) Actor, Love, Cheat & Steal (1993)
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0386848/

You just made that up, didn't you...

Oh wait! No, you didn't!
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Move along please. There is nothing to see here. The contributor understood the issue and dealt with it appropriately, unlike those here who pretend to be thick headed...or maybe they really are.
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I'll admit I didn't see it initiately  ( the BY) .. but most times my own data base doesn't contain a/ the  'BY'  and it will show up in the cast/crew  during a voting profiling ..  I just presumed it was already authorized ( since there was no menmtion at all of this by by the contributor ..,  and my own data base didn't have to start with  .. BUT glad it was all sorted out.. (and Heads up for Skip who saw this and get the right results done .....) 
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Quoting Winston Smith:
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To contributors and voters

Profiler ices birth year data as a discriminator between two or more people with the same name and such data must be documented. We currently have a film up for vote from one of film's best directors including his by undocumented and there is only one such name in film, yet people are blindly voting yes. The name of the director Alfred Hitchcock.


I'm the one who submitted the BY info (complete with supporting links) for AH. It was approved.  So it IS documented...you're wrong on this one, Skip.
My one wish for the DVD Profiler online database: Ban or remove the disc-level profiles of TV season sets. It completely screws up/inflates the CLT.
FACT: Imdb is WRONG 70% of the time! Misspelled cast, incomplete cast, wrong cast/crew roles. So for those who want DVD Profiler to be "as perfect as Imdb", good luck with that.
Stop adding UNIT crew! They're invalid credits. Stop it!
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Quoting huskersports:
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Quoting Winston Smith:
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To contributors and voters

Profiler ices birth year data as a discriminator between two or more people with the same name and such data must be documented. We currently have a film up for vote from one of film's best directors including his by undocumented and there is only one such name in film, yet people are blindly voting yes. The name of the director Alfred Hitchcock.


I'm the one who submitted the BY info (complete with supporting links) for AH. It was approved.  So it IS documented...you're wrong on this one, Skip.


It may very well be documented in the BY thread, but if not noted in the contribution notes, then the rules are not being followed.

Quoting The Rules
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Contribution Notes

When you contribute a changed profile, you are required to include Contribution Notes. Use the space to enter full explanations for all changes and/or additions that you make. Make special reference to any changes where:

    You have verified there is a discrepancy between the box and the actual content of the DVD - include your verification method.
    You are making a subtle change that may be hard to spot - for example spelling correction to the overview.
    You are removing incorrect information.

Contribution Notes provide an explanation of your changes to other DVD Profiler users and Invelos for voting and deciding whether to accept your contribution, so make your notes useful and descriptive.


emphasis by me

You do not necessarily need to provide the exact documentation in the notes if included in the thread, but a reference to the change and the thread should be included. 

This serves the purpose of

1. Acknowledging that you are aware of the change
2. allows the voters/screeners a reference for the change

It is not the voters responsibility to research in the BY thread or anyplace else.  That onus belongs to the contributor, and the contributor alone.

An opinion

Charlie
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Quoting Alien Redrum:
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So we're on the same page, if the data is correct, we should still vote no on it? That's the gist here?



Why should the "Screeners" approve the profile, if the rules aren't followed?

Sometimes it is not about a piece of data being right or wrong, it is a matter of who is providing the evidence.  As a voter, it is not my responsibility to provide the documentation.

If documentation is not provided within the contribution notes, it is not an abuse to vote no with the comment "XXX not documented within the notes"

Charlie
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Quoting Alien Redrum:
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So we're on the same page, if the data is correct, we should still vote no on it? That's the gist here?


I will vote no on a contribution every time if a change is not documented in the notes, even if I know the data is correct.
I think it is important that changes are properly documented in the contribution notes for the voters, screeners and for future reference. Also it gives the contributor a chance to adjust the contribution notes.
I will however contribute the change with proper notes myself should the contribution be declined.
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Quoting apltm:
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Quoting Alien Redrum:
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So we're on the same page, if the data is correct, we should still vote no on it? That's the gist here?


I will vote no on a contribution every time if a change is not documented in the notes, even if I know the data is correct.
I think it is important that changes are properly documented in the contribution notes for the voters, screeners and for future reference. Also it gives the contributor a chance to adjust the contribution notes.
I will however contribute the change with proper notes myself should the contribution be declined.


Awesome. Vote no on correct data. Keep up the good work. 
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Quoting Alien Redrum:
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Awesome. Vote no on correct data. Keep up the good work. 

When I read strangeness like that we must vote "no" on contribution even if the informations are right and documented in a thread here I'm quite happy to be the only one to vote on my profiling works...
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Quoting Jimmy S:
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Quoting Alien Redrum:
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Awesome. Vote no on correct data. Keep up the good work. 

When I read strangeness like that we must vote "no" on contribution even if the informations are right and documented in a thread here I'm quite happy to be the only one to vote on my profiling works...


That is not strange, it's adhering to the contribution rules.
If a change is documented in a thread on the forum a reference to that should be included in the notes.
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My one wish for the DVD Profiler online database: Ban or remove the disc-level profiles of TV season sets. It completely screws up/inflates the CLT.
FACT: Imdb is WRONG 70% of the time! Misspelled cast, incomplete cast, wrong cast/crew roles. So for those who want DVD Profiler to be "as perfect as Imdb", good luck with that.
Stop adding UNIT crew! They're invalid credits. Stop it!
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Quoting CharlieM:
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Quoting huskersports:
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Quoting Winston Smith:
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To contributors and voters

Profiler ices birth year data as a discriminator between two or more people with the same name and such data must be documented. We currently have a film up for vote from one of film's best directors including his by undocumented and there is only one such name in film, yet people are blindly voting yes. The name of the director Alfred Hitchcock.


I'm the one who submitted the BY info (complete with supporting links) for AH. It was approved.  So it IS documented...you're wrong on this one, Skip.


It may very well be documented in the BY thread, but if not noted in the contribution notes, then the rules are not being followed.

Quoting The Rules
Quote:

Contribution Notes

When you contribute a changed profile, you are required to include Contribution Notes. Use the space to enter full explanations for all changes and/or additions that you make. Make special reference to any changes where:

    You have verified there is a discrepancy between the box and the actual content of the DVD - include your verification method.
    You are making a subtle change that may be hard to spot - for example spelling correction to the overview.
    You are removing incorrect information.

Contribution Notes provide an explanation of your changes to other DVD Profiler users and Invelos for voting and deciding whether to accept your contribution, so make your notes useful and descriptive.


emphasis by me

You do not necessarily need to provide the exact documentation in the notes if included in the thread, but a reference to the change and the thread should be included. 

This serves the purpose of

1. Acknowledging that you are aware of the change
2. allows the voters/screeners a reference for the change

It is not the voters responsibility to research in the BY thread or anyplace else.  That onus belongs to the contributor, and the contributor alone.

An opinion

Charlie


It may very well be documented in the BY thread, but if not noted in the contribution notes, then the rules are not being followed.

That's true. My apologies to you.  Anyone know the UPC of this contribution that's got people in a tizzy?  I'll contribute the profile (with supporting notes) so we can put an end to this thread!
My one wish for the DVD Profiler online database: Ban or remove the disc-level profiles of TV season sets. It completely screws up/inflates the CLT.
FACT: Imdb is WRONG 70% of the time! Misspelled cast, incomplete cast, wrong cast/crew roles. So for those who want DVD Profiler to be "as perfect as Imdb", good luck with that.
Stop adding UNIT crew! They're invalid credits. Stop it!
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorKulju
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Quoting CharlieM:
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As a voter, it is not my responsibility to provide the documentation.

You're absolutely correct on that matter, but do I have to vote No if I know that the contribution is correct? I personally usually vote Yes with a note that this change/addition should be documented properly.

I personally vote for the contribution data, not for the contribution notes.

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If documentation is not provided within the contribution notes, it is not an abuse to vote no with the comment "XXX not documented within the notes"


But is incorrect to vote yes if the data is correct?
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorCharlieM
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Quoting Kulju:
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Quoting CharlieM:
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As a voter, it is not my responsibility to provide the documentation.

You're absolutely correct on that matter, but do I have to vote No if I know that the contribution is correct? I personally usually vote Yes with a note that this change/addition should be documented properly.

I personally vote for the contribution data, not for the contribution notes.

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If documentation is not provided within the contribution notes, it is not an abuse to vote no with the comment "XXX not documented within the notes"


But is incorrect to vote yes if the data is correct?


The rules tell us here

Quoting The Rules

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Voting Rules

All voting should be based on support of these Rules.

    If a user is following the Contribution Rules and his/her data is accurate, and the contribution replaces data which is inaccurate or violates these Contribution Rules, a "No" vote is considered an abuse of the voting privilege and should be avoided when possible.
    Conversely, voting "Yes" to a contribution which violates these Contribution Rules should also be avoided.
    Include a reason for any "No" vote that you cast in order to provide useful feedback to the contributor (and the Invelos Reviewers.)
    "Vote stuffing", or voting more than once for (or against) a contribution with more than one account is a serious violation of voting rules.  This includes bypassing safeguards to vote for your own contribution.  Violations will result in immediate loss of voting ability.


So the answer, according to the rules, If documentation is not provided, it is a violation of the rules, therefor a yes vote should be avoided. 

Does this mean that you can't vote yes? No it does not.

Charlie
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Quoting Kulju:
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But is incorrect to vote yes if the data is correct?


Not only are you voting on Data but also as to whether the contribution complies with the Contribution Rules. One of those rules specifically spells out how a contribution must be documented in the Contribution Notes:


Contribution Notes

When you contribute a changed profile, you are required to include Contribution Notes. Use the space to enter full explanations for all changes and/or additions that you make. Make special reference to any changes where:

    You have verified there is a discrepancy between the box and the actual content of the DVD - include your verification method.

    You are making a subtle change that may be hard to spot - for example spelling correction to the overview.

    You are removing incorrect information.

Contribution Notes provide an explanation of your changes to other DVD Profiler users and Invelos for voting and deciding whether to accept your contribution, so make your notes useful and descriptive.

If the change is not properly documented in the users Contribution Notes then it would get a no vote from me even if the data were correct.
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