Just to throw another monkey wrench in the works. The Green Lantern 3D Blu-ray only has the theatrical release. The 2D Blu-ray has both theatrical and extended. I for one would not want to see just a single profile for this because it would make me think I'd be able to see the extended edition in 3D.

Personal opinion: I like having a separate child for each of the discs in the set. It allows me to have a very clear understanding exactly what is included on each disc including extras. Just my 2 pennies.

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Both the 3D and 2D versions of the film are on HD media, so the details from both should be included in the main profile.

The part of the rule which says "A combo which includes HD media (HD-DVD, Blu-ray) as well as DVD should use the details from the HD media in the main profile." is an example, and "HD media" in this case only refers to this particular example with a BD or HD DVD and a DVD. It does not mean that if there are more than one HD media, you can't separate the two.

Let's say a release included the same movie on both Blu-ray and HD DVD. They are both HD media, but they are also very clearly different media types. Should the HD DVD be entered as a child profile of the Blu-ray or not?

The relevant part of the rule is: "Sets containing the same film on multiple media types (such as a Blu-ray/DVD combo pack) are to be entered as a normal profile for the main media type (Blu-ray in this example), with all included media types checked.", and that takes us back to the question of whether 3D BD is to be considered a separate media type. I think it should.

(and I'll keep moaning about DVD Profiler's broken data model)

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It does not mean that if there are more than one HD media, you can't separate the two.

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Let's say a release included the same movie on both Blu-ray and HD DVD. They are both HD media, but they are also very clearly different media types. Should the HD DVD be entered as a child profile of the Blu-ray or not?

Show me one, just one, HD-DVD/Blu-ray Combo. You can't...and you never will.

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...and that takes us back to the question of whether 3D BD is to be considered a separate media type. I think it should.

It isn't. Blu-ray is Blu-ray. A 3D Blu-ray title is imprinted on the same exact media type as the Blu-ray copy of the film is....namely Blu-ray. Why is that so difficult .

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IYO. IMO it does matter. Again, the rules need to be updated either way. If 3D BD is the same as a standard Blu-ray, fine, but as mreeder pointed out, it's a mess when you have different content on these discs.

As I said, as far as Profiler is concerned, there are only three media types...DVD, Blu-ray and HD DVD.  There is no check box for 3D Blu-ray so, no, it doesn't matter.  This might change in the future but we have to deal with the here and now.

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Also, what about my point about the BD/DVD combo sets? Should the contents on the DVD be in the Blu-ray parent profile? After all, it's optional to d/l the DVD and yet in the one's I have, they are not profiled.

That is because, as far as Profiler is concerned, DVD and Blu-ray are different media types...there is a check box for each one in the program.  That being the case, the rules are quite clear that the profile has to contain only the information from the Blu-ray disc.

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Again, I would like Ken to come in and make a ruling in this matter. We're at opinions on this and the rules are not clear. IYO 3D BD and BD are the same and yet standard Blu-ray players cannot generally play 3D BDs (in this case, 3D BDs can only play in compatible players).

In my opinion, this doesn't matter.  As far as Profiler is concerned, there are three media types...DVD, Blu-ray and HD DVD.  While this may, or may not, change with a future release, we have to deal with the here and now.  That means, absent a ruling from Ken, we include all the data from the Blu-rays...both 2D and 3D.

IYO. IMO it does matter. Again, the rules need to be updated either way. If 3D BD is the same as a standard Blu-ray, fine, but as mreeder pointed out, it's a mess when you have different content on these discs.

Also, what about my point about the BD/DVD combo sets? Should the contents on the DVD be in the Blu-ray parent profile? After all, it's optional to d/l the DVD and yet in the one's I have, they are not profiled.

This thread addresses how we should do the parent child relationships between 3D BD/BD/DVD releases based on how profiler workes today

http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=566846

The concensus was
Parent - 3D - BD - Media types BD/DVD
Child 1 - BD - By Disc ID
Child 2 - DVD - By Disc ID

Mainly because the 3D/BD/DVD combo releases are 3D specific with different cover images as well as things like SRP and other release level information are different. That is how most of them have been done.

However that thread did not address the main thing questioned here and that is do you go ahead and add the special features that are on the BD.

In the case of BD/DVD combo's do we combine speciial features that are on the DVD child to the BD?  I do not think we do from what I have seen, I may be wrong though.

The one thing I have noticed about 3D releases is that since they take up more space it is rare that the special features that are on the BD are also on the 3D BD disc.

However I personally do not see anything wrong with it since there are some that do not like child profiles.

Anything decided at this point is a work around until the issue is addressed within Profiler itself.  Whether it be a media type or something else.

Fortunately at this point there are not many 3D releases out there so when it does get addressed there will not be many to alter.  However we should get a clarification on the rules.

3D Blu-ray and Blu-ray are not seperate Media Types. They are both HD Media (Blu-ray). Nothing in the Program, rules or forums (statements from invelos) supports the "premis" that they are different...currrently . The rules already stipulate the disposition of the details for the HD Media in Combo releases...all details go into the Main Profile for HD Media content. DVD is NOT HD Media therefore the details for that disc are not included on the Main Profile. Of course, this is my interpretation of the rule . It certainly would be nice to get a ruling on this from Ken...hint...hint.

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3D Blu-ray and Blu-ray are not seperate Media Types. They are both HD Media (Blu-ray). Nothing in the Program, rules or forums (statements from invelos) supports the "premis" that they are different...currrently . The rules already stipulate the disposition of the details for the HD Media in Combo releases...all details go into the Main Profile for HD Media content. DVD is NOT HD Media therefore the details for that disc are not included on the Main Profile. Of course, this is my interpretation of the rule . It certainly would be nice to get a ruling on this from Ken...hint...hint.

Yes, clarification...

I am new here, but from what I can gather from the rules were updated 7/13/2010 and 3D did not really come about until 2/2010 when Samsung released the first 3D TV for home purchase and the content at that time was pretty non existant and mostly in 3D Only releases.

So since the last update we have since had the situation of multiple discs of the same media type that are in fact the same movie but different codec's.  Codec's that are significant enough in the way they are packaged that it causes the confusion.  Since the releases warrant the 3D version being the parent because of release specific information and the fact that they usually do not include the extra's on the 3d BD, but the BD.

I can see merging the BD extras with the 3D release (parent) for those that do not like child profiles.  But at the same point they way they are releasing a lot of the 3D BD's is that they are not playable in 2D players.  Now that does not make it a new media type, but it is a point that may show they should be separated.

You can see it either way.

Bump.

Still waiting on a ruling. I won't hold my breath though...I don't look good in blue .