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Quick question regarding Story By |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting scotthm: Quote:
QuotinIf there is no wiggle room then the credit can't be contributed at all. The onscreen credit is "Original Story". This wording does not appear in the credit table. I thought the on screen credit was "Story by"...at least that is what it says in the first post.  Quote:
However, if there is any "wiggle room" at all then we may still be able to credit this writer. The only place the word "Original" shows up in the Credited As column is on the line for OMB, and the note: "Adapted from another medium". There is some wiggle room, at least in my opinion, but not when the on-screen credit matches a profiler credit exactly. If it matches exactly, as was stated in the first post, then that is the credit that is entered. It's when the credit doesn't match exactly, that there is some wiggle room...again, in my opinion, there are a few who disagree with me on that point. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting scotthm: Quote:
I see. What do you suppose Victor Hugo is being credited with in this film? I don't suppose anything. Partially because this is a 1939 film, and their standards were different, and partially because I just don't care enough about the writing credits. I probably wouldn't enter it, but wouldn't vote 'no' if someone else did. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| | Registered: March 20, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,850 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
I thought the on screen credit was "Story by"...at least that is what it says in the first post. No, the on screen credit is "Original Story". Quote:
There is some wiggle room, at least in my opinion, but not when the on-screen credit matches a profiler credit exactly. If it matches exactly, as was stated in the first post, then that is the credit that is entered. It's when the credit doesn't match exactly, that there is some wiggle room... Then it looks like we're pretty much in agreement about this. --------------- |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 1,777 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Quoting scotthm:
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I see. What do you suppose Victor Hugo is being credited with in this film?
I don't suppose anything. Partially because this is a 1939 film, and their standards were different, and partially because I just don't care enough about the writing credits.
I probably wouldn't enter it, but wouldn't vote 'no' if someone else did. Ironically, Stagecoach is a 1939 film and you are absolutely right, the standards were different...in that there weren't any. They were still developing. I thought about bringing that part up, but the type of person who can't conceive of digging behind the data will get their mind absolutely fried when they discover that standards evolve over time, thereby rendering ineffective a static rule set. My original point was, we have these data fields, but are contstrained to a picklist as to what will fill them. So, do we agree that the items in the list represent certain types of data or are we just looking for text matches, the items containing no more useful information than that? Way back when, when the rules committee was discussing story by, the original thinking was that OMB was for original works outside of the moviemaking process. Story by was to cover that built-in piece of the internal studio writing process. We've since morphed to whatever matches the label. Nothing wrong with that per se, but it makes story by a lot less useful since we now know it represents nothing but a text match. | | | | Last edited: by mdnitoil |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | I know I am probably in the minority here... but the way I see it... reading the rules for what they say. I don't believe what the standard used at that time (or any other) matter. The rules just state to go by the credits and the listings in the chart.
I see nothing about needing to know how things were done... or what terms were used at any time period.
Just a straight compare the credits to the chart (or direct translations).
I speak strictly about the online database... per rules we have only. Nothing about what I would do personally in my local database which could of course be different. | | | | Pete |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 1,777 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
I know I am probably in the minority here... but the way I see it... reading the rules for what they say. I don't believe what the standard used at that time (or any other) matter. The rules just state to go by the credits and the listings in the chart.
I see nothing about needing to know how things were done... or what terms were used at any time period.
Just a straight compare the credits to the chart (or direct translations).
I speak strictly about the online database... per rules we have only. Nothing about what I would do personally in my local database which could of course be different. I know where you're coming from Pete, and I certainly agree with you on the local side of things. My confusion goes back to those original discusssions we had in the rules forum regarding story by. My understanding was a little different. At the end of the day, it's not that big of a deal, but it was just this gray area in my understanding that I wanted to clarify. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Well... the way I see it. Whatever was discussed in the rules committee forum don't matter once the rules are posted.
Once Ken goes through the rules discussions and decides to either yes - use them, no - not use them or use them with a slight change to what was discussed.... once that happens we go by what is in the rules exactly as they are stated.
If the rule wasn't written in a way to make it clear what the original thoughts were then you (general) need to go back to the rules committee forum and need to try to get people back on it to re-word that rule and see if Ken wants to change it from what it is now to what you propose.
But until that time all we can do is contribute and vote by what the rules currently state. | | | | Pete |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting scotthm: Quote:
No, the on screen credit is "Original Story". That, then, is a different story. As I said, the OP says "Story by". "Original Story" is, at least to me, closer to OMB than it is to 'Story by'. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Quoting scotthm:
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No, the on screen credit is "Original Story".
That, then, is a different story. As I said, the OP says "Story by". "Original Story" is, at least to me, closer to OMB than it is to 'Story by'. I would concur onthis , though I will also say that leads to user confusion and should probably be part of the aSTORY bY CATEGORY, SIMPLY TO MINIMIZE CONFUSION. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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