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Title Help Needed - Tron Legacy |
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  | Corne | | Registered: Nov. 1, 2000 |
| Registered: April 5, 2007 |  Posts: 1,059 |
| | Posted: | | | | Correct me if I'm wrong, but the opening and end credits are the FILM CREDITS. I don't have this DVD in my collection, what I can make out of this discussion is that there is no Opening Credit. A Title card somewhere at the beginning of the film that probably reflects the film series title. The cast & crew are all credited at the end of the film (in the end credits) and also included is the film title.
Walt Disney Pictures presents
Jeff Bridges
TRON LEGACY
A Sean Bailey production
My vote is for Tron Legacy | | | | Cor | | | | Last edited: by Corne |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,819 |
| | Posted: | | | | There is no doubt in my mind that Tron Legacy is the actual title of this film. Common sense dictates that this is the only title that should be used.
What I am attempting to do here is reconcile this within the rules.
I'm unable to post screen shots of the opening to clarify this - can someone else? |
| | Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 5,917 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Pantheon: Quote:
I'm unable to post screen shots of the opening to clarify this - can someone else? If no one has by the time I get home this early evening (US Pacific), I will do so. | | | | Last edited: by Dr. Killpatient |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,245 |
| | Posted: | | | | Isn't it almost common practice now for new films to not even have opening credits anymore. At most you may have the studio logos and perhaps a few credits. Basically all the credits are now contained towards the end of the film.
Perhaps done for the same reason as to why TV series basically have no 2 or 3 minute long theme song, audiences want to get right into the story.
Since the credit structure of films has changed so much I would take the title of the film from the end segments and not the very brief opening sequence credits. |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,819 |
| | Posted: | | | | Maybe the best solution to avoid this sort of thing in the future is for the rules to be amended to state that the 'title' can be taken from the opening OR closing credits. |
| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,733 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Pantheon: Quote:
Maybe the best solution to avoid this sort of thing in the future is for the rules to be amended to state that the 'title' can be taken from the opening OR closing credits. Which is actually already the case: the rules state "from the film's credits" - they do not explicitly point to the opening credits only. | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,819 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Quoting Pantheon:
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Maybe the best solution to avoid this sort of thing in the future is for the rules to be amended to state that the 'title' can be taken from the opening OR closing credits.
Which is actually already the case: the rules state "from the film's credits" - they do not explicitly point to the opening credits only. Maybe that is the case - but, until this instance I have never seen anyone use the END credits in their Contribution Notes. I've always thought that it is the Opening Credits that is used. I'm not an idiot or stupid, so, at some point, it must have been specified that the opening credits were to be used to determine Original Title. But for the sake of clarity (and because it hurts no one) maybe the rules could be amended to be clearer for those of us who are obviously a lot more stupid than the rest of you. If that's alright with you T!M?  | | | | Last edited: by Pantheon |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Pantheon: Quote:
Quoting TheMadMartian:
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"For profiles which have an alternate title displayed on the cover, use the title from the film's credits." Well, in this case, there is no alternate title displayed on the cover as the title on the cover is the original theatrical title. It is the title in the opening credits that seems to be an alternate title and the rules do not require us to use that title.
Well, I've obviously never understood this particular rule.
As far as I understood it: if the title on the box is different from the title in the film credits then the title in the film credits should go in the Original Title field; as the example in the rules shows: FILM CREDITS: There's Something About Mary, BOX: There's Something More About Mary.
So how is this case different? FILM CREDITS: Tron, BOX: Tron Legacy. It is different because one has a modified title and the other doesn't. Prior to the example, the rule says, "The Original Title field will contain the original theatrical title, while the Title field will contain the title of the DVD release." In the example given in the rules, the original theatrical title was, "There's Something About Mary" and the DVD title was "There's Something More About Mary.' In the Tron example, the original theatrical title was, "Tron Legacy". Since the DVD title matches the original theatrical title, there is no need to invoke this rule. Quote:
You seem to be stating that the credits are the 'alternate title' and the box is correct - which seems to be the exact opposite of the what the rules are saying. Have I misunderstood you? You have not and the rules aren't saying that. The rules say, "For profiles which have an alternate title displayed on the cover, use the title from the film's credits." Well, as I explained before, the title displayed on the cover is not an alternate title, it is the original theatrical title. Since it is, this rule does not come into play and the title from the film's credis is superfluous. Just my opinion, of course. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| | Registered: December 27, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,131 |
| | Posted: | | | | going out on a limb here. If you went into a store to buy this DVD what title would you give the nerd in the blue shirt. Tron or Tron: Legacy? |
| | Registered: May 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,934 |
| | Posted: | | | | Screen caps Opening starts with digital looking Walt Disney Castle and Walt Disney Pictures Then  At the end, the end credits start (Director through Casting by) then the following    Then the rest of cast and crew Charlie | | | | Last edited: by CharlieM |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,819 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Quoting Pantheon:
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Quoting TheMadMartian:
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"For profiles which have an alternate title displayed on the cover, use the title from the film's credits." Well, in this case, there is no alternate title displayed on the cover as the title on the cover is the original theatrical title. It is the title in the opening credits that seems to be an alternate title and the rules do not require us to use that title.
Well, I've obviously never understood this particular rule.
As far as I understood it: if the title on the box is different from the title in the film credits then the title in the film credits should go in the Original Title field; as the example in the rules shows: FILM CREDITS: There's Something About Mary, BOX: There's Something More About Mary.
So how is this case different? FILM CREDITS: Tron, BOX: Tron Legacy.
It is different because one has a modified title and the other doesn't. Prior to the example, the rule says, "The Original Title field will contain the original theatrical title, while the Title field will contain the title of the DVD release."
In the example given in the rules, the original theatrical title was, "There's Something About Mary" and the DVD title was "There's Something More About Mary.' In the Tron example, the original theatrical title was, "Tron Legacy". Since the DVD title matches the original theatrical title, there is no need to invoke this rule.
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You seem to be stating that the credits are the 'alternate title' and the box is correct - which seems to be the exact opposite of the what the rules are saying. Have I misunderstood you?
You have not and the rules aren't saying that. The rules say, "For profiles which have an alternate title displayed on the cover, use the title from the film's credits." Well, as I explained before, the title displayed on the cover is not an alternate title, it is the original theatrical title. Since it is, this rule does not come into play and the title from the film's credis is superfluous.
Just my opinion, of course. Thank you MM, this makes sense. I had always been under the impression that if the box title differs from the title in the credits, then the 'original title' rule should be used. I will change my vote accordingly. Thanks CharlieM for the screen shots - in my opinion, it is easy to see why I thought the original title should be utilised (until I read MadMartian's explanation above, that is). |
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