Quoting TheMadMartian:

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If the credit were 'Make-up Effects Artist', would you still advocate that it be left out because the crew chart doesn't include the word 'artist'?

Of course, yes. Rules are rules, after all...

Quoting Orici:

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So which is it?

Make-up Artist
Make-up Effects
or none

It is quite simple actually, if you do not know, do not enter it.

Quoting KinoNiki:

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Quoting Orici:

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So which is it?

Make-up Artist
Make-up Effects
or none

It is quite simple actually, if you do not know, do not enter it.

   

Quoting VirusPil:

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Then a different ruling would be needed.* As it is now it clearly says to just enter the called variants. If it would be thought different the coloumn "credited as" would be named "examples".

I have a hard time believing that Ken would allow 'Make-up Effects' but not 'Make-up Effects Artist'...but that's just me.  You are, of course, free to disagree.

Nobody is claiming that he isn't a make-up artist, they are claiming that he can't be entered because his work was tagged as 'creative'.  It doesn't make any sense to me, but there you have it.

Quoting GSyren:

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Skip,

Last year you argued, rather passionately as I recall, that "Robotics Special Effects Supervisor" was ok to contribute because it ended with Special Effects Supervisor (which is in the list).

How is that any different from this situation?

You are correct, in that thread, he made the exact same argument I did in this one so I am as confused as you.

I know and understand that there are those who feel Crew data must strictly adhere to those members listed in the chart table.

The problem is the Crew table itself is lacking and always will be.

Of course one could argue that the Rules themselves are insufficient since there is no way that rules can be written to cover every situation.

How many times, if ever, has the community come to a unanimous decision on any topic brought up in the forums?

People read and interpret information differently - that includes the reading and understanding of the rules and guidelines invelos has set up.

There are going to be disagreements - that is the nature of the beast. That is not a problem if you treat those with a different take on the issue with respect. Agree to disagree.

Read the rules, follow them based on your understanding of them, highlight and document gray areas and let the community and screeners decide.

If mistakes happen - fix them. Eventually the database will become better. Please note I said better and not perfect. Perfection is not an achievable goal.

I have found that following these guidelines has made the contribution process very simple.

Quoting Winston Smith:

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Simple, that was a different time and my thoughts are always evolving based on available information.

That's quite ok. But obviously this isn't so clear cut, so I wonder why you had to say "I am not sure why it even needed to be asked in reality. " That feels like an unnecessary put-down when you yourself changed your mind about it since last year.