Quoting Silence_of_Lambs:

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I wouldn't call 665 accepted contributions from a collection of 884 low contribution activity.

In all honesty, neither would I. Any work done on the database is a good thing in my book. It doesn't matter whether you're only adding a County of Origin or doing a full audit. I was simply trying to point out that throwing the word lazy around is not the best way to approach things.

Not everyone has the time (or inclination) to go to the lengths the OP seems to be demanding. We all do the best we can.

I keep all my DVDs in DJ carry boxes and starting a couple of months ago I decided to start in box 1 (I have 6) and do full audits on every disc I own.
I've only reached row 3 (out of 4) in box 1; but nonetheless that is 736 profiles I have fully audited. Have I made mistakes? Undoubtedly - because no one is perfect. But, with the time I have I do the best I can and I contribute that work for others to benefit from.

So, when I see the word 'lazy' bandied about I take personal offence.

Would I like to see everyone do full audits? Yes. Would I like everyone to take the time and energy the OP seems to want? Yes.
But it's simply not reasonable to expect.

Also, MikaLove accused me of being lazy by not correctly (in his opinion) starting a Common Name thread despite an explanation that I simply didn't have the time to do everything. But I didn't see him jumping to take over that thread or do the work himself. It is this kind of attitude that I abhor.
Don't criticise others if you can't be bothered to do the work yourself.

If you want more common name threads, then start them yourself and then you will see just how time consuming they are.

Quoting Kathy:

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I seldom check the contributions of others...

Ditto on everything Kathy said. I do look at the notes and if all looks in order and no flags go up, I vote yes and on occasion, I vote no when something is wrong. Neutral is not in the mix for me.

Thanks Kathy, as always, very elegantly put.

Quoting MrVideo:

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Quoting MikaLove:

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Well. What can I say? I'm a perfectionist.

Then you are working with the wrong database.

I guess it depends on how you view it. The online database is an excellent starting point, but it can never be a "perfect" end for everyone. I think most problems arise from people confusing the online with their own preferences and think that they must be identical.

Quoting MikaLove:

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I have recently seen more contributions than before with people "trusting blindly in the CLT", meaning making changes for e.g. actors that have the same name but are not the same person, but still share entries in their list. Also the fact that the DB might be corrupt is ignored. It is well known that the db still has a lot of Imdb data.

I have discussed this before and some listen, but others just keep their contribution hoping it will be accepted.
And what bothers me the most is the apparent ignorance of the yes voters who don't think for a minute that the contribution might be incorrect.

I refuse to accept a change to a profile if I can't be 100% sure that the contribution is correct or at least that the proper research has been made. How hard is it to make a common name thread?

Sometimes I just get the feeling that people just don't care, but only want to make "their" contributions seen. Or people seem to think they are right in what they do.It's not about "being right", it's about doing a good job to keep the DB flawless!

I have said this for a very long time about a lot of users, including those that expect you to just blindlky trust their notes without providing any documentation. I checked the CLT results myself so you can believe me type of comment, while refusing to post the CLTresults which they found. Just another of the many reasons i am increasingly limiting my own participation.

I can say I still see it. Not nearly as much as I used to... but still a fair amount of times.

You don't have to... but most people prefer too (myself included).

The rules on the matter is pretty clear though...

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The inclusion of CLT results in contribution notes is strongly desired but not required. Note: In the case of uncertainty, leaving this out may cause the contribution to be declined.

So going by what the rules say it don't have to be there... but as you can see even Invelos prefers them (CLT results in contribution notes is strongly desired).

MikaLove,

I re-read this thread carefully several times.

Your initial post called people who take time to contribute "lazy" because they are not meeting your perfectionist standards.

Your using "...my common sense and like..." is not something that is relevant to the contribution process. As has so often been said before, "common sense" is relative and differs from one person to another.

Invelos requirements do not match yours as far as CLT data is concerned. If you wish to "go the extra mile" that is your choice. But, other contributors are not required to do so. It is invelos' standards, not yours, that contributors need to follow.

Perfection is a worthy goal, but is seldom if ever achieved in any endeavor. This is especially true in DVD Profiler since it is a user based database where people contribute from all over the world.

Saying people are "lazy", or "...that person "thinks the CLT is God.." or "Either we strive for a flawless DB or anything goes. Anarchy!" Anarchy? Why, because they are not doing things your way?

Is it any wonder that some might feel a bit insulted? Would you expect others to respond kindly when talked to like this?

A few might be seen as a bit defensive in nature but they were responding directly to the insulting nature of your initial and subsequent posts. But, I can see how you might feel differently.

Irregardless, I do not see any reason for you to lash out as you just did in your last post.

Not only that, I don't feel anyone should talk to another the way you just did irregardless of the circumstances.

If you can not discuss and debate in civil discourse, it might be best if your last post be your final one.

Well, as it happens I have a hard time expressing my original feelings. And also to maybe define exactly what is bothering me about bad contributions or at least contributions that aren't 100% correct.
And what I mean is that if a contribution isn't correct and I have done enough research to find that it has errors, I have the right to point that out and people should notice this. But still there are people voting yes and contributions are approved.
So what I meant in the first place is that maybe not the contributor is lazy, but those who just vote yes without even thinking for a second. There have been a lot of obvious bad, crappy contributions that people still vote yes for.

I am only guilty for not being able to express myself correctly and those who take offense for me using the word lazy, what does that have to do with me, only?

But attacking ME about how many movies I have and anything else is both IRRELEVANT and a personal insult. Disrespectful and that p*ssed me off!
I love movies and it's one of my greatest interests. I also try to contribute here but I don't always have the energy to do it. Or do we live in an elitist society where you have to contribute a certain amount and own 4,000 movies to be regarded as a "fan of movies" and as an asset?

I tried to express my feelings and maybe I wasn't clear enough. Some took offense but that's not my problem since I didn't attack anyone in person. But when people attack me and criticize me for how I live my life, then you can be sure as hell I will attack those people back!

Also, what I mean about a perfect DB and "perfection", is that I want to utilize any means possible and at hand to make the DB good. Meaning: before I vote on a contribution I try to see if it looks worthy a yes vote. I don't just click "yes" if I can't be sure or if I suspect there could be an error.

Now, I want an apology from those who personally attacked me.

If you don't think I am worthy of an apology, then you can keep this little tight community to yourselves. Because it seems to me that a lot of you have some kind of bonds or whatever and you agree and you do things your way and English is your first language, etc, etc. It doesn't just seem like an open enough place to me. And I shouldn't have to learn the ropes about how "you guys do it" and all that. The only way is the way which you base contributions on facts. I'm not here for much else. At least not if people are so sensitive and hostile just because I am a bit different and not always use the right words. Ah, I don't feel like writing any more.