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"The Initiation of Sarah" Contribution ? |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting paulb_99: Quote:
But isn't the divider present to give meaning to the OMB credits? Yes, it is but we don't always care about the meaning of the OMB credit. For example, if it simply said "Based on The Television Movie "The Initiation of Sarah" Teleplay by Don Ingalls" would you use a divider? I know I wouldn't. Quote:
So in your opinion, Martian, it should be either the divider with 3 screenwriter credits and 2 story by credits or 5 OMB credits without divider? In my opinion, because this is a logical grouping, is a crew team and mirrors the credits, a divider can be used. It does not, however, have to be used. That being the case, again in my opinion, it should be one or the other and I would comfortably vote 'yes' to either. @ those who say "no divider"...people are using dividers for song titles, with a single song writer. If that is allowed, I don't see how it isn't allowed here. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
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- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: May 9, 2007 |  Posts: 1,536 |
| | Posted: | | | | I think we need a new feature, which is a button to suppress (not remove, because of contributions) all dividers in crew. | | | | Hans |
|   | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,733 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
@ those who say "no divider"...people are using dividers for song titles, with a single song writer. If that is allowed [...] And we've been over that time and time again, with no clear outcome. I, for one, don't believe that that is allowed. | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 867 |
| | Posted: | | | | According to Ken, if it adds contexts it's allowed Paul |
| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,733 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting paulb_99: Quote:
According to Ken, if it adds contexts it's allowed No! That comment has nothing do with a song writer credit - it's about visual effects company names. If "if it adds context" is the sole criterium, then we can pretty much put EVERYTHING into crew dividers. Simple example: when someone like Ilona Herman isn't just credited as a generic make-up artist, but as Robert De Niro's Makeup Artist - that adds context as well, right? So like you just did, I could say that, per Ken, that qualifies for a divider, too? I sure hope not... As far as I'm concerned, this is the exact same thing. | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Quoting TheMadMartian:
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@ those who say "no divider"...people are using dividers for song titles, with a single song writer. If that is allowed [...]
And we've been over that time and time again, with no clear outcome. I, for one, don't believe that that is allowed. Neither do I, but that doesn't change the fact that they are being contributed and accepted. Since those seem to be allowed, I don't see how this can't be as well. That's all I was saying. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,733 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Neither do I, but that doesn't change the fact that they are being contributed and accepted. I see IMDb-mined data being contributed and accepted, too. That doesn't make it "allowed", I hope? |
| | Registered: January 1, 2009 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 3,087 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
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So in your opinion, Martian, it should be either the divider with 3 screenwriter credits and 2 story by credits or 5 OMB credits without divider?
In my opinion, because this is a logical grouping, is a crew team and mirrors the credits, a divider can be used. It does not, however, have to be used. That being the case, again in my opinion, it should be one or the other and I would comfortably vote 'yes' to either.
... But giving them a Screenwriter and a Story by credit, gives them a wrong job for this movie. Just because it is within the divider which gives the context shouldn't change the crew role. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
I see IMDb-mined data being contributed and accepted, too. That doesn't make it "allowed", I hope? As the rules specifically state, "Please don't submit content from a third party database" and, more importantly, "mass copy from a third party commercial database which violates their stated usage license is not allowed," it seems like you are arguing for the sake of arguing.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting VirusPil: Quote:
But giving them a Screenwriter and a Story by credit, gives them a wrong job for this movie. Just because it is within the divider which gives the context shouldn't change the crew role. In my opinion, as long as the divider is used to make it clear that they did those jobs on the other film, it doesn't matter. In fact, now that I think about it, I prefer this method as it tells us exactly what they did while OMB is quite generic. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: January 1, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,087 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Quoting VirusPil:
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But giving them a Screenwriter and a Story by credit, gives them a wrong job for this movie. Just because it is within the divider which gives the context shouldn't change the crew role.
In my opinion, as long as the divider is used to make it clear that they did those jobs on the other film, it doesn't matter. In fact, now that I think about it, I prefer this method as it tells us exactly what they did while OMB is quite generic. And next will be a credit for Brad Fiedel because there's some song in a movie that's inspired/based on The Terminator Theme by Brad Fidel, just because a matching divider was entered, but he made nothing for the movie. I might be alone with this opinion, but a crew role should always be the same, with or without the context of an divider. Btw, I'm absolutely agreeing that the more details are great, but not this way. Still think something as a credited as field for the crew role would be great. | | | | Last edited: by VirusPil |
| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,733 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting VirusPil: Quote:
I might be alone with this opinion, but a crew role should always be the same, with or without the context of an divider. You're most certainly not alone, no. Quote:
Btw, I'm absolutely agreeing that the more details are great, but not this way. Still think something as a credited as field for the crew role would be great. And we actually have that. It's just not contributable. As such, everyone can enter as much detail as he wants, without bothering anyone else with it. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting VirusPil: Quote:
And next will be a credit for Brad Fiedel because there's some song in a movie that's inspired/based on The Terminator Theme by Brad Fidel, just because a matching divider was entered, but he made nothing for the movie. We only give credit to the actual song writer, not what the song might be based on, so I don't see this happening. Anyway, I have given my opinion, it's up to the contributor, voters and screeners now. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| | Registered: January 1, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,087 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Quoting VirusPil:
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And next will be a credit for Brad Fiedel because there's some song in a movie that's inspired/based on The Terminator Theme by Brad Fidel, just because a matching divider was entered, but he made nothing for the movie.
We only give credit to the actual song writer, not what the song might be based on, so I don't see this happening.
Anyway, I have given my opinion, it's up to the contributor, voters and screeners now. But in the op question, you would give a screenwriter credit for a thing that it is based on.  I hope you can see my point. |
| | Registered: January 1, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,087 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
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Btw, I'm absolutely agreeing that the more details are great, but not this way. Still think something as a credited as field for the crew role would be great.
And we actually have that. It's just not contributable. As such, everyone can enter as much detail as he wants, without bothering anyone else with it. You think about the custom role field?! Not satisfiying for me, because it removes the associated role, but still thanks. | | | | Last edited: by VirusPil |
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