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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorLostmule
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Registered: December 3, 2008
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I think I get what you mean... It's a case were you bought a movie in a store and the rating isn't on the cover, but the rating was in fact present in the package because the rating board of the locality put a sticker inside the package but not on the dvd itself. So you live in the same locality that I live in right


Amen...

That and the only way to put the correct Price Listed for a movie in the currency of any given nation, is to contribute in that said nation. The large majority of movie sold in Canada must abide by the Canadian rating system, hence why you will have a packaging design and UPC different... sometimes you have the same USA packaging but with a rating sticker on the packaging (as you wrote)...

For the rest... I keep voting 'no' to his changes and 'SCREENERS delete this blah blah blah'....

Thanks for your input guys and have a good one!

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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorLostmule
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You've got a proper Canadian locality dvd/blu-ray that someone is trying to delete? Is that simply the problem? What dvd/blu-ray is someone trying to delete. We can see if it's a valid request to have it removed or not (because there are a TON of Canadian locality profiles that do NOT need to be in the system... Just because something was bought in Canada doesn't mean it's Canadian locality. I have a bunch in my local and am currently trying to move all of them over to the proper U.S. locality profiles).


questions:
1) Then if you have a packaging with the Canadian rating... do you leave then in the USA?
2) When you purchase a movie in 'bestbuy.ca' (example) which has a rating sticker on the wraper and not printed on the packaging... is it contributed in Canada?
3) If you have a movie bought in the same store but with no Canadian rating at all... is it contributed in Canada? (if not, you won't put the Canadian Price listed? Why would the US wins over this contribution?)..

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One argument I don't understand in the above is that about currency. If I buy a Japanese DVD (region 2, NTSC) in the US, and take it with me to Europe, I can list the price in yen or dollars or euros or Norwegian kroner or whatever. The locality is irrelevant in that respect. The contributed SRP should of course be in the currency of the locality of the DVD, irrespectvie of where I purchased it. But locally I can use whatever I like, as I can for the purchase price.
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Quoting Merrik:
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You've got a proper Canadian locality dvd/blu-ray that someone is trying to delete? Is that simply the problem? What dvd/blu-ray is someone trying to delete. We can see if it's a valid request to have it removed or not (because there are a TON of Canadian locality profiles that do NOT need to be in the system... Just because something was bought in Canada doesn't mean it's Canadian locality. I have a bunch in my local and am currently trying to move all of them over to the proper U.S. locality profiles).


questions:
1) Then if you have a packaging with the Canadian rating... do you leave then in the USA?
2) When you purchase a movie in 'bestbuy.ca' (example) which has a rating sticker on the wraper and not printed on the packaging... is it contributed in Canada?
3) If you have a movie bought in the same store but with no Canadian rating at all... is it contributed in Canada? (if not, you won't put the Canadian Price listed? Why would the US wins over this contribution?)..

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1) It depends on if it's a Canadian locality or U.S. locality. It's not simply as cut and dried as that. Some U.S. locality releases actually DO have a Canadian rating on the back cover. Warner Home Video is infamous for doing this. They release a SINGLE version to the U.S. and Canada and have both the U.S. and Canadian ratings on the back cover (usually they lack the Canadian rating details however). If this is the case, then absolutely yes, the profile should be left alone as a U.S. locality profile. Warner Home Video is a U.S. company, it's distributed from Warner, it should be U.S. (And recently, Buena Vista has actually started to put the Canada (Quebec) rating on their covers as well).

2) I've never run into this because I live in Alberta and not Quebec. I've never made a single purchase in my life that has a rating sticker on the wrapper. Why the rating sticker is on the wrapper is beyond me. I don't live in that locality and haven't had this problem. I would assume (dangerous territory) that the reason the sticker is on the wrapper is because it's actually a regular Canadian or U.S. locality, but to be sold there, it needs the sticker. It's very possible that there's no reason to create a separate Canadian locality profile for a bunch of these situations.

3) No, it's not contributed to Canada. Canada DOES sell U.S. releases. If there's nothing to indicate it's a Canadian release (rating, rating details, Canadian distributors such as Alliance or Maple) it's NOT specifically a Canadian release and should be contributed only to the U.S. locality. If this is the case then the U.S. dollar price is listed, NOT the Canadian dollar price. If it's from the U.S. originally, a U.S. price gets listed. My collection is split pretty evently between U.S. and Canadian prices (with 99% of them having been bought with Canadian dollars no matter what if the U.S. or Canadian price is listed). Just because we live in Canada, doesn't mean every movie you buy should have a Canadian price listed for the profile. And why would the U.S. win out? Because the distribution company is U.S. and they were simply shipped to Canada to be sold here. Still made and distributed in the U.S. by a U.S. company and therefore the original price listed should be U.S.

Does any of this help?

And seriously. GIVE ME AN EXAMPLE!!!!!!!      We can check to see if it's a legitimate contribution!
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorJimmy S
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For the point #2 Merrik it's the way it was always done by our rating board. Even in the days of the video tape it was like that and to be honest this is great. The only time when the sticker must be stick on the case is when you rent the movie or sell it used in a store.

A printed rating on the cover by a company who release the product had no legality at all here. Our rating is obligatory here not optional, in fact every movie is reviewed by the rating office (even stuff like Teenage Schoolgirls Swallowers #25). A film can't be sold without the rating sticker and nothing is rated "unrated" since it would be illegal and cause a lot of problem for the distributor.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorLostmule
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...  The contributed SRP should of course be in the currency of the locality of the DVD, irrespectvie of where I purchased it. ...


Hmmm interesting, accurate and conflicting ;-)

when I look at the SRP down here, it will be in C$ not US$.... how am I suppose to know when one will trump the other! Perhaps I should refrain from contributing and consider augmenting my private database... that way I won't get in the mess it appears I have caused!

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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorLostmule
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The only time when the sticker must be stick on the case is when you rent the movie or sell it used in a store.

A printed rating on the cover by a company who release the product had no legality at all here. Our rating is obligatory here not optional, in fact every movie is reviewed by the rating office (even stuff like Teenage Schoolgirls Swallowers #25). A film can't be sold without the rating sticker and nothing is rated "unrated" since it would be illegal and cause a lot of problem for the distributor.


Phew... Merrik.....  very verbose (yeah yeah) but very precise - as per your contributions!!.

NNN: not only when movies are rented. If I go in a Quebec (Canada) store and purchase a new movie (not a 'former' rented one), a big circular label - black and white - with the Quebec rating will be on the packaging itself and this even if there is an actual printed on the package the same rating - go figure.  For the rest in your message "no movie can be sold without the rating sticker.." same in Quebec. That sticker must be saved if a return is to be done.

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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorNexus the Sixth
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Once you have identified the correct locality (which granted can be difficult enough) the SRP currency should ALWAYS match the locality for the online. I'm surprised that there is no automatic filtering that prevents the wrong SRP currency from being contributed...
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorTheMadMartian
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Once you have identified the correct locality (which granted can be difficult enough) the SRP currency should ALWAYS match the locality for the online. I'm surprised that there is no automatic filtering that prevents the wrong SRP currency from being contributed...

There is...if you contribute, as an example, a US profile with something other than US Dollars selected, you will get an error message and the contribution won't go through.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorsamuelrichardscott
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Once you have identified the correct locality (which granted can be difficult enough) the SRP currency should ALWAYS match the locality for the online. I'm surprised that there is no automatic filtering that prevents the wrong SRP currency from being contributed...

There is...if you contribute, as an example, a US profile with something other than US Dollars selected, you will get an error message and the contribution won't go through.


Not the same elsewhere though. Loads of UK profiles seem to go through with Euros all the time.
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as an example, a US profile with something other than US Dollars selected, you will get an error message and the contribution won't go through.

samuelrichardscott is right: that's the only example. None of the other locaties/currencies have such a check, which seems very strange.
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Request to stop the wrong SRP currency from being contributed made here.

Ken apparently doesn't like my suggestions (I've been requesting the incorrect Canadian rating system contained within the program to be fixed for what seems like years now with no luck, and yet I'll see a request for an undo button, and two days later it's done).

I figured if it was as easily accomplished for the U.S. locality as it was, it should've been a snap to implement across ALL localities... guess not, guess the U.S. is special. They're the only locality that won't accept an incorrect SRP. I know Canadian profiles I've downloaded have had every currency from U.S. to the Euro to the Krona to the Rupee... I'm still, after three years of use, contributing to correct incorrect SRP's simply contained within my own local. Wouldn't even want to dare dream how many incorrect ones are actually out there.
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Once you have identified the correct locality (which granted can be difficult enough) (...)

Keep in mind though, that a release can be valid in more than one locality and therefore it may have more than one profile with partially different data.

One example is the here discussed Canadian/US release. But there are also Cananda/Canada (Quebec) releases (different overview languages) and in Europe we have France/Belgium/Netherland releases as well as German/Swiss releases.

The rating logos may give an indication about allowed localities but is by no means the only indication. For example Warner often releases the exact same disc with the exact same cover and only the German rating in Germany as well as in Switzerland. We can see that the release is meant for both localities because we see different copyright notices for Germany and Switzerland printed on the cover.
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And there are also pan-Scandinavian releases.

But generally, some caution is in order before requesting to delete a profile, although the fact that for region 2, UK has been made the default, leads to many wrong entries there.

However, I would request that before requesting to delete a wrong profile, the existing profile is moved and uploaded to the correct locality if it does not already exist there. I have recently seen several attempts where good data would have been lost, where a correction is so easily made.
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as an example, a US profile with something other than US Dollars selected, you will get an error message and the contribution won't go through.

samuelrichardscott is right: that's the only example. None of the other locaties/currencies have such a check, which seems very strange.

Indeed it is very strange...seems like it should be the standard for all of them. 
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On the other hand, some countries changed their currency in the recent past, which would require two possibilities, since SRP is fixed on the release date. Just to be difficult.
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