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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorTheMadMartian
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As stated before, I disagree. I maintain that only discs that actually have a disc ID should be tracked there, no audio-CD's, CD-ROMs or DVD-ROMs. There have been multiple polls on the subject in the past, for instance with regards to including a "Disc" entry for an included soundtrack-CD, and the consensus has always been to not include discs that don't have a disc ID. As the fact that the software can't capture any ID from different types of discs indicates, the field is only meant for DVD's and Blu-rays, and nothing else. That what the word "Disc" means for DVD Profiler purposes - for DVD Profiler purposes, it means either DVD or Blu-ray, but nothing else.

You are, of course, allowed to disagree...and I didn't mean to imply otherwise...I just don't see it as all those conditions are based on personal preference and interpretation.  The rule, as I stated before, seems quite clear and doesn't have any exceptions.
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The rule, as I stated before, seems quite clear and doesn't have any exceptions.

I agree. It's just that my outcome is the exact opposite. 
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But hey, you are, of course, allowed to disagree.... 
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I maintain that only discs that actually have a disc ID should be tracked there, no audio-CD's, CD-ROMs or DVD-ROMs. There have been multiple polls on the subject in the past, for instance with regards to including a "Disc" entry for an included soundtrack-CD, and the consensus has always been to not include discs that don't have a disc ID. As the fact that the software can't capture any ID from different types of discs indicates, the field is only meant for DVD's and Blu-rays, and nothing else. That what the word "Disc" means for DVD Profiler purposes - for DVD Profiler purposes, it means either DVD or Blu-ray, but nothing else. If you keep that in mind, the rule is indeed quite clear.

I fully agree.
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Digital Copy Discs are nothing more than DVD-ROM discs by another name and they should NOT be included in the Disc section of profiles. They have they're place in Features now and should therefore be excluded.


At the moment listing them to Disc section too is the only way to dirrentiate wheather the "Digital Copy" in features section mean Digital Copy download code or Digital Copy on DVD Media. I asked these to be separated on Features section when the Digital Copy feature was introduced, but Ken desided otherwise.
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The rules say to add information for each disc, period.  There is no exception for discs without disc ID or discs that some people feel are useless.

I thnik that's not true for compact discs or DVD-ROMs, even if they have a Disc ID and/or are included in the DVD package.
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The rules say to add information for each disc, period.  There is no exception for discs without disc ID or discs that some people feel are useless.

I thnik that's not true for compact discs or DVD-ROMs, even if they have a Disc ID and/or are included in the DVD package.

Maybe I am missing something, but I don't see that exception in the rules.  We can't profile CDs, but I can't find the rule that says we can't include them under the 'discs' tab.  As for DVD-ROM, don't we profile Warner Archive releases and aren't those released on DVD-ROM discs?
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There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
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Warner Archives are DVD video, the only difference is the manufacturing process (Writable DVDs vs. pressed DVDs)
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Maybe I am missing something, but I don't see that exception in the rules.  We can't profile CDs, but I can't find the rule that says we can't include them under the 'discs' tab.


I'm sure you have one or two titles lying around that came with a bonus CD...I know I do. Go ahead and contribute a profile with "CD Music Disc" in the "Disc" section of the profile. Since you can't find the rule that says you can't include them then it must be ok. Let's see how far it gets .
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Maybe I am missing something, but I don't see that exception in the rules.  We can't profile CDs, but I can't find the rule that says we can't include them under the 'discs' tab.


I'm sure you have one or two titles lying around that came with a bonus CD...I know I do.

Actually, unless I overlooked one, I don't believe I do.
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Go ahead and contribute a profile with "CD Music Disc" in the "Disc" section of the profile. Since you can't find the rule that says you can't include them then it must be ok. Let's see how far it gets .

You don't really believe that everybody votes based on the rules, now, do you?  The fact that the rules allow things doesn't mean those things will get approved.  By the same token, the fact that the rules specifically disallow things, doesn't mean they will get declined.

Not that it matters as I wasn't talking about contributing, I was talking about what the rules say.  As you decided not to comment on that, I will assume you couldn't find the rule to counter what I actually said. 
No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar
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Not that it matters as I wasn't talking about contributing, I was talking about what the rules say.  As you decided not to comment on that, I will assume you couldn't find the rule to counter what I actually said. 


You can include whatever you want in your local database because the rules don't apply to what you keep locally. The rules pertain only to what can be contributed to the Invelos database. If you weren't talking about contributing then what exactly was your point? You can't find a rule that specifically prohibits the inclusion of certain "disc" data in the Disc section of the Profile so I suggested you go ahead and try it and you copped out by stating: Quoting TheMadMartian:
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You don't really believe that everybody votes based on the rules, now, do you?  The fact that the rules allow things doesn't mean those things will get approved.  By the same token, the fact that the rules specifically disallow things, doesn't mean they will get declined.


I merely suggested that if the rules don't specifically disallow it then...go for it .
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You can include whatever you want in your local database because the rules don't apply to what you keep locally. The rules pertain only to what can be contributed to the Invelos database. If you weren't talking about contributing then what exactly was your point?

My point was, that the rules tell us to "add information for each disc," period.  Rather than counter that, with something other than the rules, you created a smoke screen assuming that most people would vote 'no' based on personal preference rather than the actual rules.
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You can't find a rule that specifically prohibits the inclusion of certain "disc" data in the Disc section of the Profile so I suggested you go ahead and try it and you copped out by stating:

I could say the same thing about your post...you couldn't find a rule to cover your point of view, so you threw out an irrelevant challenge.  Why is it irrelevant?  Because, while the rules do pertain to what can be contributed, they don't, unfortunately, pertain to what will and won't be accepted.  I have seen perfectly valid, per the rules data, get declined and I have seen invalid, 100% against the rules data, get accepted.
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I merely suggested that if the rules don't specifically disallow it then...go for it .

What you did was point out, once again, the major flaw in the contribution system...often times, majority, rather than the rules, rules.
No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar
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often times, majority, rather than the rules, rules.

As long as the majority has it right - and in this case they do - I can live with that.
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often times, majority, rather than the rules, rules.

As long as the majority has it right - and in this case they do - I can live with that.

I know you can, but I can't.  Either we follow the rules or we follow majority rules.  You can't pick and choose majority rules when it fits your opinion, then discard it when it doesn't.  Well, you can, but your credibility sure takes a hit when you do.
No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar
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Luckily, I don't do that. Instead, I follow the rules. Earlier in this thread, I have stated how I interpret those rules. Yes, the rules say to add "discs", but for DVD Profiler purposes, "discs" are DVD's or Blu-rays and nothing else, as defined on page 2 of the contribution rules, no CD's, CD-ROMs, DVD-ROMs etc. Since those do not qualify as "Discs" for our purposes, that's why they don't get listed under "Discs". So yeah, that's the rule I - and, as you noted, the majority of users - are following. It has nothing to do with "picking and choosing".

Of course, I could proceed to make quips about what your misinterpretation of the rules means for your credibility, but I'd rather not sink to your level...
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My point was, that the rules tell us to "add information for each disc," period.  Rather than counter that, with something other than the rules, you created a smoke screen assuming that most people would vote 'no' based on personal preference rather than the actual rules.


Don't you dare presume to know my mind . I assume nothing. The only "smoke" being blown around here is yours. Your "misinterpretation" of the rule infers that adding descriptions for Discs without Disc IDs for CD-ROMs, DVD-ROMS and any other media on Disc other than DVD or Blu-ray movies to the Disc section of a profile is perfectly acceptable.

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What you did was point out, once again, the major flaw in the contribution system...often times, majority, rather than the rules, rules.


What I did was simply lay down a challenge which you copped out of by blowing more smoke with your complaint about the contribution system as a whole and a slight to the screeners who work tirelessly to make this the best database possible. Certainly it has it's flaws but right now it's something I can live with.
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