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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributornorthbloke
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I can't comment on this specific title as I don't have it, but I have seen other anthology films that have had distinct cast and/or crew lists for each story and I think it's appropriate to use episode dividers in those cases. Anthology films are episodic in nature, so it makes sense to use episode dividers where appropriate.

As for the location question, again it depends on the credits. If there are distinct and separate location crew lists, such as I believe the film Babel has, then episode dividers are right. However if the location crew are a subdivision of the main crew then group dividers are right.
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- The Hours (2002) in which the cast is divided between three time periods.

I think that when the cast divider isn't part of a role it can be considered an episode divider.


Can't agree on either of these statements.

First off, in the film The Hours, two of the time periods actually cross over. At the end of the film, an older Julianne Moore makes an appearance in the Meryl Streep timeline, showing one completely cohesive film that is not separated completely by timelines, but is in fact one flowing timeline in a single film. Episode dividers to me signal a complete change. A brand new episode. Something that was filmed completely separate, and is meant to be viewed completely separate, from what came before or after it. The Hours doesn't fit episodic dividers AT ALL in my opinion. It can't really... with the crossover in storylines, how can it?

The second statement I can't agree with because of my explanation for the first statement.

You said after this post that you can't see how the story title, the name of a location or a time period can be anything other than an episode divider. I can. Easily. Just because a film may have dividers of Paris, Berlin and Toronto doesn't mean they should be separated by episode dividers. They're not episodes within the film, they're simply groupings of cast within the same film, which easily signals to me to use group dividers.

I think the jump from "TV show episodes, distinct films" to "or other logical episodic distinction" is WAY too big of a leap to make when talking about headings within the cast of a single film. We're being told to use an episode divider for DISTINCT FILMS, but then all of the sudden a Paris divider in the credits is a logical episodic distinction, when a few words earlier we're told to use that same divider for completely separate films? That doesn't sit right in my head and I'd happily vote no to any such instance of that being submitted, without question.
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This discussion shows clearly that each user has his own opinion about what to do, and the result, as I can see in online profiles for the titles I own, is a complete mess (one more) in the database. The local use of group dividers is a good thing as it allows to do exactly what everybody wants, but contributions that say white for a profile and black for another are a loss of time for everybody.
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The rules should be clearer then...
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This discussion shows clearly that each user has his own opinion about what to do, and the result, as I can see in online profiles for the titles I own, is a complete mess (one more) in the database. The local use of group dividers is a good thing as it allows to do exactly what everybody wants, but contributions that say white for a profile and black for another are a loss of time for everybody.


Completely true. Although I see Merrik's point. It isn't defined in the rules, at least not the location/time period part and then it's all interpretation leading to a mess. To me the group dividers in the cast are part of the actual role, nothing more nothing less. My definition of episodes is way different and much wider. I would vote no when using group dividers in stead of episode dividers. So here we are 

FYI The three main characters in The Hours Julianne Moore, Nicole Kidman and Meryl Streep aren't credited under the time line header but are credited separately in front of the time line dividers. So that's not a valid argument. All other cast don't cross-over.
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FYI The three main characters in The Hours Julianne Moore, Nicole Kidman and Meryl Streep aren't credited under the time line header but are credited separately in front of the time line dividers. So that's not a valid argument. All other cast don't cross-over.


I actually think it makes it a more valid arguement.  With that, the credits are basically saying "here's the three main characters from our film, they head up three different timelines, but we're crediting them together because it's a single cohesive film about these three women, no matter which timeline they appear in" and in that case would definitely signal simply different groupings of people under the different years. If the three main characters weren't seen fit to split up by specific episodic dividers, why would the rest of the cast? They're simply grouped into how they appear in a single, cohesive, flowing timeline film, not episodically divided where the stories aren't related at all.
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I agree with Merrik. And while he didn't come out and say it.... this sounds like the case of Back to the Future where Ken said either is valid... we could use 2 group dividers 1 for year followed by one for group role.... or we could use as a group divider [2010 - group role]. But he never said anything about using an Episode Divider.
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