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My opinion is irrelevant, as is yours.  Just read the Rules.

Thank you.

But I am curious about whether or not I am understanding your position.  Is this essentially correct?
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So let me see if I understand your point of view here.

If "Studio A" had nothing to do with the production of a movie but distributes (i.e. "mails") the film to theaters it's OK to list it as the Theatrical Release Studio because it's a "studio", but if theatrical distribution "Company B" does the exact same thing it can't be listed because it doesn't occasionally produce its own films?

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The problem is that you, and quite a few other people, seem to believe that all Theatrical Release Studios produce every film they release.  As I just explained to KinoNiki, they don't.


Please point out exactly where I made such a claim!

Yeah...I didn't think you could.
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So let me see if I understand your point of view here.

If "Studio A" had nothing to do with the production of a movie but distributes (i.e. "mails") the film to theaters it's OK to list it as the Theatrical Release Studio because it's a "studio", but if theatrical distribution "Company B" does the exact same thing it can't be listed because it doesn't occasionally produce its own films?

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Those are your words, not mine.  Read mine.  They are perfectly clear, as are the Rules.
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Those are your words, not mine.  Read mine.  They are perfectly clear, as are the Rules.


Not very much. The term 'Theatrical Release Studio' isn't a term used by the system and can be interpreted multiple ways (as this topic once more proves). This term isn't defined anywhere in the rules. The main header of that rule says 'Studios' but the Production part is referred to as Production Company(s). But we do add studios as production companies.
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Those are your words, not mine.  Read mine.

Obviously those were my words, and I was trying to find out if they bore any semblance to your thoughts on the matter, and you were most unhelpful.

Thanks.

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The problem is that you, and quite a few other people, seem to believe that all Theatrical Release Studios produce every film they release.  As I just explained to KinoNiki, they don't.


Please point out exactly where I made such a claim!

Yeah...I didn't think you could.

Please point out exactly where I said you did!

Yeah...I didn't think you could.

What I actually said was, you seem...give a certain impression...to believe that and, based on your posts, that is the impressiong I got.  Not once did I say you actually said it...but, hey, let's not let the facts get in the way here.
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Those are your words, not mine.  Read mine.  They are perfectly clear, as are the Rules.


Not very much. The term 'Theatrical Release Studio' isn't a term used by the system and can be interpreted multiple ways (as this topic once more proves). This term isn't defined anywhere in the rules. The main header of that rule says 'Studios' but the Production part is referred to as Production Company(s). But we do add studios as production companies.

I suppose I should point out that it isn't a term used by the film industry either.  I am not sure who came up with that term, but this is the only place I have ever seen it.  If you look at IMDb, you will see that they list two types of companies...Production and Distribution.  There is a reason for that.
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Those are your words, not mine.  Read mine.  They are perfectly clear, as are the Rules.


Not very much. The term 'Theatrical Release Studio' isn't a term used by the system and can be interpreted multiple ways (as this topic once more proves). This term isn't defined anywhere in the rules. The main header of that rule says 'Studios' but the Production part is referred to as Production Company(s). But we do add studios as production companies.

I suppose I should point out that it isn't a term used by the film industry either.  I am not sure who came up with that term, but this is the only place I have ever seen it.  If you look at IMDb, you will see that they list two types of companies...Production and Distribution.  There is a reason for that.



By the system I meant the film industry  .
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What I actually said was, you seem...give a certain impression...to believe that and, based on your posts, that is the impressiong I got.  Not once did I say you actually said it...but, hey, let's not let the facts get in the way here.


Well let me be quite clear, then.  Your impression is dead wrong and you should stop trying to interpret what people say and just read what they actually say.

I don't need either you or scotthm to reword my posts for me.
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Like I  said earlier, if you (generically) want a field for the company that does the marketing and/or distribution of the film, then you should post a request for such a field in the Feature Request thread.

In the meantime, if a "Theatrical Release Studio" cannot be identified for a particular film, then the field should be left blank or filled with an additional Production Studio name instead of cramming some "other" piece of information into a field where it doesn't belong.
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I don't need either you or ScottM to reword my posts for me.

Just a reminder...

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My opinion is irrelevant

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I don't need either you or ScottM to reword my posts for me.

Just a reminder...

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My opinion is irrelevant

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That doesn't mean that you can put words in my mouth.
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Well let me be quite clear, then.  Your impression is dead wrong and you should stop trying to interpret what people say and just read what they actually say.

You are correct, my impression was dead wrong...the actual problem is that you seem to believe there is such a thing as a 'Theatrical Release Studio' when there isn't.
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Like I  said earlier, if you (generically) want a field for the company that does the marketing and/or distribution of the film, then you should post a request for such a field in the Feature Request thread.

Um...we already have a field for that, it's called the studio field.
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In the meantime, if a "Theatrical Release Studio" cannot be identified for a particular film, then the field should be left blank or filled with an additional Production Studio name instead of cramming some "other" piece of information into a field where it doesn't belong.

Sorry, but nobody can identify the Theatrical Release Studio, for any film, as there is no such animal.  There are production companies and distribution companies, that's it.  It is unfortunate that the people who wrote the rules decided to invent their own term, but it doesn't change the fact that the distribution company is what we call the theatrical release studio.
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By the system I meant the film industry  .

Understood, thanks.
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Well let me be quite clear, then.  Your impression is dead wrong and you should stop trying to interpret what people say and just read what they actually say.

You are correct, my impression was dead wrong...the actual problem is that you seem to believe there is such a thing as a 'Theatrical Release Studio' when there isn't.


Once again, I'll ask you to stop stating your "impressions" of what I think or rewording it for me, rather than just reading what I've said and allowing others to do the same.

The "theatrical release" of films has been changing in character for a long time. There was a time when nearly all films had clearly identifiable "theatrical release studios" associated with them.  It seems as though the Rules were written based on that older model.  Things have changed, and even more rapidly of late.  The program has not kept pace.  I repeat that if you want a marketing/distribution company listed, then you should request a field for that.  I disagree wholeheartedly, that the studio field is the appropriate place for that data.  Studio has a specific meaning and that's what the Rules call for.

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Like I  said earlier, if you (generically) want a field for the company that does the marketing and/or distribution of the film, then you should post a request for such a field in the Feature Request thread.

Um...we already have a field for that, it's called the studio field.


No, we don't!

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In the meantime, if a "Theatrical Release Studio" cannot be identified for a particular film, then the field should be left blank or filled with an additional Production Studio name instead of cramming some "other" piece of information into a field where it doesn't belong.


Sorry, but nobody can identify the Theatrical Release Studio, for any film, as there is no such animal.  There are production companies and distribution companies, that's it.  It is unfortunate that the people who wrote the rules decided to invent their own term, but it doesn't change the fact that the distribution company is what we call the theatrical release studio.


Well, I  just disagree with this statement.  I think that there are thousands of films where this is a very simple task...and, in fact, a quick look at DVDP tells me lots of people have been doing it just fine for quite some time.  I wonder how they managed to figure it out?  And no, the distribution company is not what we call the theatrical release studio.  It may be what you call it, but please don't presume to speak for everybody.
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Well, I  just disagree with this statement.

At the risk of being monotonous...

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My opinion is irrelevant

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