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Disc level profiles are optional, parent profiles are required.  If the parent (season) profile doesn't have a UPC, it has to be created via disc ID.  Anything other than that is against the TV Series clarifications.

I am trying to see where the rules state that using disc ID for parent profile is required. The actual clarification says can be used for complete series per Season (such as this situation). Not that it is required.

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Note: In rare cases where multiple Complete TV Series are packaged together, the Box-set rules can be applied, treating each series like a single film - applying the above rules for it’s individual profile.

As I have said before... rules saying CAN is just as option as the disc levels are. So doing it either way is correct per the rules we have.

Quoting TheMadMartian:

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I am sorry, but that is not what I said...in fact, I never mentioned child profiles.  What I did mention, and what the rules deal with, are Disc-level Profiles.

Well exscuuuse me for not using the correct terminology. 

But, whatever the hell they're called the issue is the same.

The 'Complete Series/Collection' box is the PARENT profile.
Everything inside comes under DISC LEVEL PROFILES.

I don't see what the problem is.

Attempting to make Disc 1 of each Season/Series is purely putting personal preference onto the database and is NOT supported by the rules. At least that's how I see it.

Quoting Addicted2DVD:

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Quoting TheMadMartian:

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Disc level profiles are optional, parent profiles are required.  If the parent (season) profile doesn't have a UPC, it has to be created via disc ID.  Anything other than that is against the TV Series clarifications.

I am trying to see where the rules state that using disc ID for parent profile is required. The actual clarification says can be used for complete series per Season (such as this situation). Not that it is required.

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Note: In rare cases where multiple Complete TV Series are packaged together, the Box-set rules can be applied, treating each series like a single film - applying the above rules for it’s individual profile.

As I have said before... rules saying CAN is just as option as the disc levels are. So doing it either way is correct per the rules we have.

As I said in the other thread, this rule does not apply to a single, complete series.  It applies to multiple complete series that are packaged together...say, the complete Firefly packaged together with the complete Space: Above and Beyond.

As I posted in the other thread... even if you look at that note that way... there is still nothing in the rules stating there must be season profiles created for complete Series sets. I searched the TV Series Rules with the search function on my browser for every occurrence of the word Season. And I didn't see any such rule.

Quoting DJ Doena:

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I don't think that's correct. IIRC this part of the rule was written by a british person where the term series equals to the american season.

I've never seen two different series bundled together anyway.

I'm not sure that's correct.  Assuming Ken is the final publisher/arbiter of the rules, I think he's from Kansas if I'm not mistaken.

Also, there are instances of multiple TV Series (in the American sense) being packaged together.  See "Adult Swim in a Box"

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Quoting TheMadMartian:

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While it is true that the 'Complete Series/Collection' is the parent, the next level, the child profile, is the individual season boxes, followed by the disc-level profiles.

And where, exactly, in the Contribution Rules does it say this?

I've just used my page search function for each page of the rules and the ONLY mention of Child Profiles comes under the Disc Features section under Bonus Feature Films.

Nowhere in the rules is it explained that the hierarchy is Parent/Child/Disc Level. I see this as a pure fabrication.
The fact the rules use the terminology of Disc-Level makes no difference, when, to all intents and purposes it means the same thing as Child Profile.

If Child Profile and Disc-Level Profile are totally different things; then maybe it would be a good idea to put that in the rules, don't you think?

I hate having the same conversation in two threads, but I will attempt to explain it again here...

Prior to the rule allowing disc-level profiles being added to the rules, Ken made a statement here.  In the context of that thread, it seems quite obvious, at least to me, that he is talking about single season releases, where the season level profile is the parent profile and the disc-level profile is the child.  When you take multiple season sets, and combine them into one set, the new box becomes the parent and all other profiles move down one level...what was once the parent, becomes the child and what was once the child becomes the grand child.

Call it 'pure fabircation' if you like, though I am not sure why you felt the need to throw in that little snide remark as I have been nothing but civil, but, in my opinion, combining multiple season sets into a single mega-set doesn't mean we discard the season level profiles.

Quoting Leiterfluid:

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I'm not quite sure you're reading that right.  He makes no mention of Box Set / Season / Discs in his statement.  In fact, what he seems to be implying is quite the opposite of what you say, in that ALL data goes into the parent box set profile for the online DB, using dividers as appropriate, and child profiles are created from that, with no mechanism for creating "Season" profiles.

You have to take his statement in the context of the entire thread which, if you look at the first post, was how do you contribute a TV Series.  Should each disc of the series be created as it's own profile (containing the relevant cast, crew, features) or should only the 1 profile be created for the whole set?  You have to remember that, at the time of that thread, as stated in the first post of that thread, the rules forbade the use of disc level profiles.  In other words, TV Series sets were treated just like films with one profile for each title and no child profiles.  The discussion, Ken's statement and the subsequent change to the rules, all dealt with that subject.  The end result was the compromise reached in the rules...TV sets could now be treated as box sets, with a parent for the season and child profiles for each disc.

This point is further driven home by Ken's statement here.  Note that this post was in response to a poll concerning single season sets.

Now, while I was doing all this research, I found a post, in that thread, where Ken did comment on complete season sets.  In that post, he stated his 'initial thought', "disc-level profiles should have content only from that disc," posed a question, then, in typical Ken fashion, didn't come back to give a final answer...at least not one I could find. 

That being said, since Ken did state an 'initial thought', I will defer to that thought and change my opinion.

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Call it 'pure fabircation' if you like, though I am not sure why you felt the need to throw in that little snide remark as I have been nothing but civil, but

Once again something gets lost in translation.

What I said was: "I see this as a pure fabrication".
In other words - I perceive Parent/Child/Disc-Level as not supported by the rules. In effect, a fabrication.

I never, at any point, said that you had fabricated the hierarchy or that you were, in fact, lying with your statement.
Also, I would really like to know how use of the word fabrication can be construed as snide.

Maybe if I ever say to you: "You're a liar" there will be reason to call me rude or snide; but right now I feel it's a bit of an overreaction simply because I disagree with what you are saying and do not think it is, in any way, supported by the rules - which are, after all, the ONLY thing most users have to go on.

I really don't give a rat's behind what Ken has said elsewhere in the forum - until it goes in the rules it's about as useful as a screen door in a submarine.