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Quoting CharlieM:

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  If it is that way on the cover ...

Sorry, but I live in a real world,

Was that really necessary?  As far as I can tell, Charlie has been civil, why can't you?

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where facts are what happens really, not what is written by cover makers when they are incompetent.

I am sorry, but that just doesn't make any sense as the error is, in fact, on the cover.  Reproducing what is written on the cover is sticking to the facts.  Changing it, is creating fantasy.  It may be correct, in your mind, but it isn't what actually exists in the real world.

I would just change it, on what it should read ,,. lock it off and let the others here worry about these rules.. Bottom line don't loose sleep over this just lock it off.. I do it all the time.. I actually have everything except cast and crew permanently locked...
If someone discovers a change in the overview or running time.. I'll look it over as I'm downloading new daily updates... if I agree I'll do a one time temporary accept partial and edit my locks..

Quoting pauls42:

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Can you clarify what you think is the point of the back cover scan compared to the overview text which has been entered?

Is there a case for never entering the overview since this is supposed to be a mirror image of the back cover scan?

Would you think that the overview text was supposed to be searchable?

Believe it or not, I have tried to make that point for a couple of years, concerning titles.  To me, I must agree, I have a cover scan that gives me an exact representation of the graphics that are presented on the cover.  I do not need to try to replicate what is there.

What is being asked, is a rules change. 

As of right now, the rules state

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Copy the overview from the back of the DVD case exactly as written,...

In the contribution forum, I try to keep the discussion within the rules, and as of right now, we are not allowed to veer from that. 

If people would like a change to the rules, then lets discuss that, in the rules forum.  We can insert feelings and arguments for or against said rule, then let the chips fall where they may.

I think what needs to be asked, do we collect movies, or do we collect dbd/hd/bd with movies and other features included.

If we collect movies, then this software goes way beyond what we need, for the information we keep concerns a lot more than the movie itself.  We keep track of different case types, media, special features, etc etc

If we collect DVD/HD/BD (which I believe), then just like any other collectible , we track what we have.  Even if that collectible has errors or omissions.  We do not create errors, we do track the errors, because that is what makes collections interesting at times.

Just an opinion.

Charlie

By the way Yves, in reality, I deal with the rules that are in front of me, for there are consequences (however small), to not following the rules.  If the rule changes, then I will follow the new rule. So thanks for the insult, because apparently in your reality rules are optional....

Charlie

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By the way Yves, in reality, I deal with the rules that are in front of me, for there are consequences (however small), to not following the rules.

I too follow the rules strictly. What I said is that when I find them stupid, which is the case here, I do not contribute corresponding data. Partial contribution is allowed by rules, so I do not find fair to pollute other users (who have less time to correct their profiles than people here) databases with errors about our movies collection.

Quoting surfeur51:

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I personally collect movies with Dvdprofiler (one movie=one profile). I do not consider data concerning case type, media or special features useless, since they concern the physical storage of my movies.

Perhaps some people use dvdprofiler for their DVDs, but I do not consider it easy to use for data and game DVDs.

What I personally do :

Maybe I am not specific enough.

DVD Profiler is designed to collect DVD/HD/BD that contain video media that is not associated with Games or Data.  I think that you know this, and know what I was referring to (so please quit "acting" obtuse)

This program is not designed for VHS or Beta or homemade moviies or bootleg (illegal) movies.  Can an individual create a local version that would work for those video, sure.  Same for Wine, books, comics,, etc, etc.

I use a completely different program to track music.  That is a different beast entirely, although I would love a version of profiler dedicated to the music field (not that I am pushing).

As far as data, I really don't keep track of it in that fashion (most software I download now anyway, and purchase the license(key)

I am not a gamer.  I understand that Profiler, on a local level, could be set up to do that, or there are other pieces of software that can do the job (probably not as well as Profiler for Video Disc's  (can you say cheap plug).

What I do know, is that the way that DVD Profiler tracks data and the data that it tracks, this program is designed to catalog video discs (BD/HD/DVD).  If you use it to catalog movies, and as you say "not concern" the other data, then that is good for you.  I am glad that the software serves a purpose for you.

It still does not excuse the fact, that you accuse "Profilers", that follow the rules as they are written, of injecting errors into the online DB.  This is as far from factual as you can get.  Then you want to accuse people of not living in "reality", for not seeing things your way. 

Both of these actions are quite insulting, and it goes to show a certain amount of arrogance on your part.  I hope that this is not intentional, and it is just a "language" barrier (or faceless keyboard misperception).  But none the less, how you come across.

Charlie

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If running time is 133' on cover and movie lasts 1h33, you consider 113' is an error and you enter 93' in dvdprofiler. I agree with that.

Me too, data is the Running Time, we do not change it.

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If Bruce Willis plays in the movie and overview on cover says Bruce Wallis, you consider Bruce Wallis is not an error, and you enter Bruce Wallis in dvdprofiler overview.

Yes, data is the Overview, we do not change it. Consistently we'd also use a Bruce Wallis from the credits for the cast list.

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I would like another field for pointing out errors, multiple versions, etc. It would avoid flip-flopping on contributions like all those movies that have the AR or run time wrong on the cover, multiple possible covers, etc.

As a general point i'd I agree; it would be nice to have a field like this (though since the Rules say runtime/AR etc from disc not cover I'm not sure this is necessary... except maybe to stop people trying to contribute "corrections" based on cover info, though really they should check the contribution history first which would sort this out in most cases).

Or I would even welcome a Rule change that said "Overview exactly as cover but if there are errors you may add these in an addendum"... though there are enough areas for spelling disagreements that the size of error worthy of such would be hard to specify... "This series from the 70's"... err, no that's "70s" it's not possesive... but I know some who argure "put in the ' because it indicates dropping of the 'ie' in seventies"... have fun with the flip-flopping war...

But since that isn't the Rule, I'm happy to follow what's there and adjust locally if needs be!

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I also never said that "Bruce Wallis" was not an error.  I said it was not our error.

No matter the origin of the error. When one user downloads a profile that contains an error, he gets this error in his local. So contributing errors is messing other users' data. I consider that accepting to play with rules that propagate errors is to take the responsibity of those errors, and I refuse that for myself.

The only correct way to manage this is a contribution with this note "Partial contribution, without overview, since the overview on cover contains an obvious error". When Invelos will be tired of that, they will change the rule.