Quoting Pantheon:

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I think you're being a bit misleading in your post T!M.

I'm not, actually.

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You say the additional crew are somewhere deep down in the end credits - whereas in the film in question the additional crew follow directly on from the previous sound crew; literally the next 'page' of credits.

You're jumping to conclusions, there: you don't know which titles I was talking about. From your comment and your vote, I now know what title you are talking about, but you automatically assumed that this thread is about that one title only. It's not. Even so: does it really matter how deep down the "additional" crew is? Is that  really the argument here? I don't think it is. Either we want to track batches of "additional" crew, or we don't. As far as I'm concerned, that's  the question.

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There is also nothing in the rules that states to leave out 'Additional' anything - just to be picky.

Which probably explains why I never claimed anything like that.

So you can see: no misleading whatsoever. I just asked the community's opinion on a matter of which I felt that it isn't covered by the rules. That's all. And please don't say: "anything that isn't explicitly forbidden, is allowed", because you honestly don't mean that. Basic example: the rules don't say not to contribute upside-down cover art. See? Trust me: using the "anything that isn't explicitly forbidden, is allowed" approach allows us to mess up mosts field beyond belief. As such, I feel that I've asked a perfectly legitimate question. And as with pretty much every question that arises here, there are bound to be different opinions on the matter. This is no exception, and despite the accusation of being misleading, I actually value your input.

Quoting T!M:

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you don't know which titles I was talking about. From your comment and your vote, I now know what title you are talking about, but you automatically assumed that this thread is about that one title only. It's not.

Well I apologise for the assumption.

I have to admit that I made the assumption because:
A. I've never come across a set of credits like this before.
B. The example in your OP is identical to the film I submitted and you re-edited.

So, I have to admit to being surprised that two sets of identical credits have come up in such a short space of time.

Having said that I am not supporting the inclusion of ALL additional crew - because I find that the rules tend to exclude the others anyway.
For example: Additional Editors are not listed with Principal editors; therefore excluding them. Additional Music (which I track locally) are not listed with the Composer of the film score; so they're excluded.

However, what I do see a LOT is Additional Visual Effects followed by a whole slew of Effects Houses; and listed within are Visual Effects Supervisors and Digital Effects Supervisors - all of these are being tracked.

If we go with 'NO Additional Anything' then all these FX people would have to be excluded - sometimes leaving only 1 FX person or none at all.

The Poll Results say all leave them out 
people who want them keep it local.

Quoting Kathy:

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Although I can understand your feelings, it has often been said that Poll Results are irrelevant.

That's about the same as saying that we, the users, are irrelevant.

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Quoting Kathy:

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Although I can understand your feelings, it has often been said that Poll Results are irrelevant.

That's about the same as saying that we, the users, are irrelevant.

I have read that argument many times in the forums.

I don't feel that way and probably shouldn't have repeated it. I should have expressed myself better.

Poll Results gives an idea of what a small number of the invelos community feels.

These results can not be viewed as a definitive answer to whatever question is posed to the community. They are only the opinion of a small section of that community.

Only Ken or Gerri can address these types of situations with a statement in the forums or an update to the rules.

Quoting Pantheon:

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Quoting ruben.:

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The Poll Results say all leave them out 
people who want them keep it local.

A 5 person differential hardly constitutes a consensus.

And.. then add what Winston and Kathy said about polls in the forum.

Also - these entries are already in the profile; whether or not to remove them is the issue here.

No, leave them out.  (22)
Yes, credit them, without using a divider.  (11)
Yes, credit them, under an "Additional Sound" divider.  (6)

What about the 22 who says no leave them out.?

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Quoting Pantheon:

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Quoting ruben.:

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The Poll Results say all leave them out 
people who want them keep it local.

A 5 person differential hardly constitutes a consensus.

And.. then add what Winston and Kathy said about polls in the forum.

Also - these entries are already in the profile; whether or not to remove them is the issue here.

No, leave them out.  (22)
Yes, credit them, without using a divider.  (11)
Yes, credit them, under an "Additional Sound" divider.  (6)

What about the 22 who says no leave them out.?

As Mallrat says - these people are already in the profile.

And my point was that for a poll to reach a consensus there has to be a clear majority (at least in my opinion); and the very small difference in numbers on this vote does not show the majority of people in favour of removing these entries.
What is shows is that opinions are almost equally divided.

Now, if I was the person who has started this thread I would NOT remove them because there is no clear consensus.
I would likewise NOT include these people in future contributions.
However, how T!M chooses to proceed is entirely up to him.

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Quoting Pantheon:

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The fact they are under an 'Additional Crew' header shouldn't make any difference.

I disagree. If the header had been '2nd unit' it would have made all the difference.

True, but only because unit crew is specifically disallowed by the rules...additional crew is not.

Let me be clear, I would not enter an individual credit of 'Additional Sound Editor' as that is not in the crew chart.  'Sound Editor' is, so I would enter that regardless of the header it was under...unless, of course, that header were some form of unit crew.