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  | Corne | | Registered: Nov. 1, 2000 |
| Registered: April 5, 2007 |  Posts: 1,059 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote:
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But then there's an additional line that reads:
SOUND MIXED AT Sony/Cary Grant Theatre
Does that warrant a divider, too? I hope not, but I'd like to be sure...
No divider here. There isn't an additional line but a new heading preceding a separate group of sound crew. | | | | Cor | | | | Last edited: by Corne |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | I can't see anything in the rules that would prevent a divider like this, as long as there are valid credits under it. I don't know if I'd bother adding it myself but see nothing in the rules that would force its removal. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | I have to disagree as where the sound mixing was done does not indicate a ' crew team' or logical grouping...it simply indicates where the work was done. JMHO. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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| Corne | | Registered: Nov. 1, 2000 |
| Registered: April 5, 2007 | | Posts: 1,059 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
I have to disagree as where the sound mixing was done does not indicate a ' crew team' or logical grouping...it simply indicates where the work was done. JMHO. For me it does indicate a logical grouping, so.... | | | | Cor |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 1,777 |
| | Posted: | | | | I guess this just brings us one step closer to adding unit credits. Yes, I realize the rules are fairly clear on unit credits but if folks actually give a crap where the sound mixing took place then are we really that far away? |
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| Registered: May 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,934 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Corne: Quote:
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I have to disagree as where the sound mixing was done does not indicate a ' crew team' or logical grouping...it simply indicates where the work was done. JMHO.
For me it does indicate a logical grouping, so.... I am trying to figure your logical grouping  We group under VFX house dividers (to show that they did not work for the film itself, but for a company that was hired) We credit Location Crew (Not because of the location, but to show the separate group that was hired for that location) We credit groups of actors that are credited on screen in a group. We credit a group of post production sound employees, to show that they did not work for the film itself, but for a company that was hired We don't credit anything specifically to show location, so how does showing the Studio where the sound was mixed help? That would be like showing a group of writers because they write the script at "Jane Doe's House". Please explain |
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| Corne | | Registered: Nov. 1, 2000 |
| Registered: April 5, 2007 | | Posts: 1,059 |
| | Posted: | | | | I can't see a difference between location crew and Sound Mixers being credited together as a team under the heading 'Mixed at [sound stage]'. The Location isn't the name of the location crew team either. In both cases there's a heading preceding a team/group of crew. There's no rule that says to use company names only. There's only this rule about the use of company names: "List individual credits only, not company name credits. Exception: If a company name heads a group of crew, use the Group divider to enter the company name." Or else we couldn't even enter company names in the first place.
This is what you get with divider rules that are written like that. What for one seems a logical grouping isn't logical for the other. | | | | Cor | | | | Last edited: by Corne |
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| Registered: December 13, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
I can't see anything in the rules that would prevent a divider like this, as long as there are valid credits under it. I don't know if I'd bother adding it myself but see nothing in the rules that would force its removal. That's the way I see it, too. |
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| Registered: December 13, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Mallrat: Quote:
Tim,
Do you really feel that this thread determines that it is against the rules to credit the actual location where the post-production sound process took place? Because that is what it takes to remove such data from an existing profile.
It seems to me that you have a personal preference on the matter. That's fine of course, but you are presenting it to the screeners as a rule in contribution King of California UPC: 8-711983-481183 , which seems to me like you're trying to manipulate them into changing the online to suit what you'd like, not what the rules in fact actually state. It's a pity you choose not to answer. By not answering and at the same time maintaining towards the screeners that this thread warrants removing data (which I have yet to see 1 person state) you show that your contribution notes are not to be trusted blindly. |
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| Registered: December 13, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Tim
*Updated Notes*
"Per the findings in this thread, I'm removing an incorrect divider use from this profile.
ATTENTION SCREENERS: I've left this contribution standing despite the two no-votes, because I'm convinced that it's absolutely correct. When in doubt, I suggest you read the thread that I linked to, and you'll see that literally everyone except these two no-voters agrees that this does not warrant the use of a divider. We credit company that did the actual sound work, but we do not credit the physical location where they worked. Worse: this divider actually breaks the link with the company doing the work (= the "Ear Candy" divider)... This really needs to be corrected"
What matters is whether the existing data is incorrect according to the Rules. If not, it should stay.
You have absolutely no factual argument why it should be removed according to the rules as they are written at the moment. You hide behind the majority and even deliberately try to manipulate their words to meet your desired outcome. Is it relevant how many would choose to add the devider? No.It's relevant how many would, driven by their interpretation of the Rules, remove the existing data. And how many have stated that they would? Yes that’s right : No one has.
I would also like to point out that if your comment “When in doubt, I suggest you read the thread that I linked to, and you'll see that literally everyone except these two no-voters agrees ” is a valid argument in your book, how come you contribute rating details when literally everyone except you agrees they are wrong (http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=494468)?
At the very least that makes you a hypocrite.
The voting system really should be modified so that the No-voter can properly motivate his vote. As it stands now the contributor can (and some do) window-dress his contribution as much as he likes. At the same time the No-voter has very limited space. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | This is going to sound like an attack, but it is not meant to be, so I apologize in advance. Quoting Mallrat: Quote:
I would also like to point out that if your comment “When in doubt, I suggest you read the thread that I linked to, and you'll see that literally everyone except these two no-voters agrees ” is a valid argument in your book, how come you contribute rating details when literally everyone except you agrees they are wrong (http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=494468)?
At the very least that makes you a hypocrite. This is the main problem I have with T!M...when a poll or thread agrees with his point of view, he is quick to quote it as proof that he is correct. When they don't, he finds a reason to ignore them. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 762 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
This is the main problem I have with T!M...when a poll or thread agrees with his point of view, he is quick to quote it as proof that he is correct. When they don't, he finds a reason to ignore them. And that's how a spin doctor works...  |
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| Corne | | Registered: Nov. 1, 2000 |
| Registered: April 5, 2007 | | Posts: 1,059 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
This is going to sound like an attack, but it is not meant to be, so I apologize in advance.
Quoting Mallrat:
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I would also like to point out that if your comment “When in doubt, I suggest you read the thread that I linked to, and you'll see that literally everyone except these two no-voters agrees ” is a valid argument in your book, how come you contribute rating details when literally everyone except you agrees they are wrong (http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=494468)?
At the very least that makes you a hypocrite.
This is the main problem I have with T!M...when a poll or thread agrees with his point of view, he is quick to quote it as proof that he is correct. When they don't, he finds a reason to ignore them. Unfortunately completely true | | | | Cor |
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| Corne | | Registered: Nov. 1, 2000 |
| Registered: April 5, 2007 | | Posts: 1,059 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Mallrat: Quote:
I would also like to point out that if your comment “When in doubt, I suggest you read the thread that I linked to, and you'll see that literally everyone except these two no-voters agrees ” is a valid argument in your book, how come you contribute rating details when literally everyone except you agrees they are wrong (http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=494468)?
At the very least that makes you a hypocrite. Just for the record. Not only the so called no-voters. I see at least three users here that don't agree with T!M and 99% of the users haven't even replied here so it's far from a reliable conclusion. And aren't the rules the deciding factor? | | | | Cor | | | | Last edited: by Corne |
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| Registered: December 13, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Corne: Quote:
And aren't the rules the deciding factor? Nope, not for the screeners. (They fell for his load of rubbish again.) In fact I strongly doubt that they even read the actual arguments being presented (so far as you can actually present an argument in the space given to a no-voter) in the context of the Rules. I suspect all contributions that are made by people in the 30.000+ range (fault in overview this week, rating details next week, devider the week after, birthyear a week later and so on) are automatically given the screener's blessing. That in itself is understandable I suppose given the number of contribuitons they probably have to handle on a daily basis. If a contributor seems trustworthy, why nót trust him? All the more reason for us contributors to act with some integrity and not deliberately try to bend words/polls/opinions to get what we want in the online. As if manipulating the screeners, and therefore abusing their trust, is some sort of achievement... Shame. |
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