Quoting hal9g:

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Those names do not appear anywhere in the credits, so obviously, no!  "Earth, Wind and Fire" is clearly the name of a group.  "James & Stacey Keach" is clearly shorthand for crediting two individual people.  If you don't see the difference, then it is pointless to discuss this further.

That was a rhetorical question as I knew this was going to be your reply.

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I never said anything about them violating the Rules,

But we are talking about breaking the rules here...if we weren't, then there was no need for your 'the rules be dambed' comment.  Since we are, I expected that you were going to stay on topic.  My mistake.

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I said we enter credits all the time that do not match the film credits.  One of your favorites, you cited yourself.  Crew credits are constantly entered which do not appear in the crew table, as the Rules specifically require.  Group dividers are constantly used when people appear individually in the credits with the same role.  That's not the way they appear in the credits.  Two columns of film credits are entered as one column, sometimes going left to right and then down, sometimes going top to bottom then to the right.  Accents are dropped, both because people do not know the proper way to convert all caps, and because of a stupid rule and because some are not reproducible in the program.  Credits from the beginning of the movie are dropped in favor of closing credits; they don't match the film exactly and in the same order.  Credits are dropped because they don't fall within "the standard credits".  Stunt people are dropped depending on where they appear in the credits.  I could go on, but I think I've made the point.

Actually, you haven't.  You are talking about intentionally breaking the rules.  Citing the "oh so many ways that we do not enter the cast and crew exactly as credited," per the rules, doesn't really support your case here.

I just had a look, and found that I had a different opinion earlier this year.  I honestly can't remember why or why I change my mind. 

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Quoting hal9g:

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Those names do not appear anywhere in the credits, so obviously, no!  "Earth, Wind and Fire" is clearly the name of a group.  "James & Stacey Keach" is clearly shorthand for crediting two individual people.  If you don't see the difference, then it is pointless to discuss this further.

That was a rhetorical question as I knew this was going to be your reply.

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I never said anything about them violating the Rules,

But we are talking about breaking the rules here...if we weren't, then there was no need for your 'the rules be dambed' comment.  Since we are, I expected that you were going to stay on topic.  My mistake.

If you'll go back and re-read the thread, you will discover that my "Rules be damned" comment was specifically related to the OP and the way to enter that specific credit.

It was in a later post that I stated that there are oh so many ways that we enter credits that do not match the film credits.  That post made absolutely no mention of the Rules.  So no, I was not talking about the Rules when I made that comment.

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I said we enter credits all the time that do not match the film credits.  One of your favorites, you cited yourself.  Crew credits are constantly entered which do not appear in the crew table, as the Rules specifically require.  Group dividers are constantly used when people appear individually in the credits with the same role.  That's not the way they appear in the credits.  Two columns of film credits are entered as one column, sometimes going left to right and then down, sometimes going top to bottom then to the right.  Accents are dropped, both because people do not know the proper way to convert all caps, and because of a stupid rule and because some are not reproducible in the program.  Credits from the beginning of the movie are dropped in favor of closing credits; they don't match the film exactly and in the same order.  Credits are dropped because they don't fall within "the standard credits".  Stunt people are dropped depending on where they appear in the credits.  I could go on, but I think I've made the point.

Actually, you haven't.  You are talking about intentionally breaking the rules.  Citing the "oh so many ways that we do not enter the cast and crew exactly as credited," per the rules, doesn't really support your case here.

Again, my "oh so many ways" had nothing to do with the Rules, so yes, I did make my point.

And, as far as I'm concerned, I am interpreting the on screen credit as two individual credits, so I  do not believe that I am breaking the Rules by doing so.  It is no different than you interpreting a crew credit to be equivalent to one that is in the crew table when it is not.  I noticed how you neatly side-stepped that one!

Quoting hal9g:

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If you'll go back and re-read the thread, you will discover that my "Rules be damned" comment was specifically related to the OP and the way to enter that specific credit.

It was in a later post that I stated that there are oh so many ways that we enter credits that do not match the film credits.  That post made absolutely no mention of the Rules.  So no, I was not talking about the Rules when I made that comment.

First, that specific credit is included in the examples in this thread.  Second, your first post in this thread was, "Entering two names into the name field is simply mindlessly following a Rule contrary to the usefulness of the data."  That being the case, I don't see how you can make that claim.  You are, of course, free to make that claim, I just don't see it.

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Again, my "oh so many ways" had nothing to do with the Rules, so yes, I did make my point.

Again, as both examples are exactly the same, and you did mention the rules in this thread, I honestly don't see how you did.

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And, as far as I'm concerned, I am interpreting the on screen credit as two individual credits, so I  do not believe that I am breaking the Rules by doing so.

Had you started out by saying you were interpreting the data, rather than saying "Sometimes, the Rules be damned," we wouldn't be having this discussion.

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It is no different than you interpreting a crew credit to be equivalent to one that is in the crew table when it is not.  I noticed how you neatly side-stepped that one!

I didn't side step anything, I completely ignored it.  Since you ignored it, when I pointed out, in two different posts, the fact that you don't allow for this interpretation when it comes to crew, I figured you weren't interested in having that discussion.

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It's no wonder this place has become a joke!

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This isn't for nothing if many users don't use the database anymore. Can you believe I have found errors in each of the profiles I got from the database? In place of argumenting on evidence maybe some users should took the time to correct the cast role of the movie they own in place of losing it on futility they can't see...

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It is said that nature abhors a vacuum.

You seem to be doing your best to prove that axiom true.

Are you, at all, capable of having a conversation without resorting to insults?  This sanctimonious attitude is really getting to be a bore.  It would be funny if it wasn't so sad. 

With all the bickering going on, I'm half expecting someone to stand up and yell:
"ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED? IS THIS NOT WHY YOU ARE HERE?!"
... Gladiator style