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| Registered: July 29, 2007 |  Posts: 183 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting VirusPil: Quote:
Then you get the correct linking and you have also the current movie credit tracked. Hm, maybe I once more don't get the point but it won't help at all. At least not in this case finding out if I'm allowed to use AKA or not. So far there is no connection between the two names except some other people might know better but afaik didn't share their knowledge. At least not here at Inveloes. I guess the french people are already ROTFL about us  BTW: if I upload my "new" profile it will be called "In der High School ist die Hölle los" This title is very hard to connect to the movie. I first thought I've got a wrong delivery. AKA search at imdb brought up a completly different movie. I think the CLT will not see that it's the same movie and I highly doubt many users will see it. Together with correct profiles of Hellphone it would influence the results of the CLT more than it seem if I understand the way the CLT works correctly. And again, I don't think that any CLT result, no matter what entry has more results, will allow the AKA in this case. I think by Invelos standard they still are "two persons" and are to be treated as different people untill proven better (what I maybe can in 5 years after learning better french;)) Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
You said you verified he is credited as Brice Agostini.
No! It might offend you if that guy is so popular but I've never heard of him. Sorry, once more for my bad explaination. I've came up with that by comparing the profiles cast with the movie end credits and that french Wiki page i've posted above. Or is that already enough to prove they are the same person? (I can hardly believe that) @ Addicted2DVD NP, guess it was my fault. It's always hard to tell how "offending" if offensive at all, something was meant in a foreign language. |
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| Registered: July 29, 2007 | | Posts: 183 |
| | Posted: | | | | sry, double post
Well, this whole subject turned out a little different than I intended. I'm sorry!
So, let's make it more simple.
1. I don't know Jean Dujardin, I've compared the Hellphone profile and the movies credits and saw the difference.
credits: Brice Agostini - Warrior...
profile: Jean Dujardin - Warrior...
2. Is it possible to "prove" Brice = Jean Dujardin?
I've already done my best with that Wiki entry in my first post
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Dujardin
Of course it might be false and I don't even understand most of it, but is it really neccassary to be so suspicious all the time? At least it shows a connection between the two names.
So, can anbody bring up better proof or ist it already enough for the AKA? | | | | Last edited: by Corma |
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| Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Corma: Quote:
2. Is it possible to "prove" Brice = Jean Dujardin?
Jean Dujardin has a cameo appearance in "Hellphone", which was directed by James Huth. James Huth was also the director of "Brice de Nice", where Dujardin had the main role of Brice Agostini. This explains the joke in the credits. Here is a screencapture of Hellphone.  Here is a photo of Dujardin.  Need something more for the proof ? | | | | Images from movies |
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| Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Corma: Quote:
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You said you verified he is credited as Brice Agostini.
No! It might offend you if that guy is so popular but I've never heard of him. Sorry, once more for my bad explaination.
I've came up with that by comparing the profiles cast with the movie end credits There was no offend. What I understood, is that you verified that the end credits of Hellphone credited that guy as Brice Agostini. There is no doubt that Dujardin played in Hellphone,(see above), but since I have not this title, I could not verify how the credits were written. | | | | Images from movies |
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| Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
He may be an unknown to people other then the French... and this is a world wide program. We are not speaking here of a program, just of cinema. I personally know well known actors from Spain, Germany, Sweden, Italy, Japan, China, Australia..., even American ones. I perfectly understand people that are interested only by movies in their own language, and consider movies from other culture not worth to be seen. That do not make well known actors as unknown, when they are just non known. And with a 72/117 CLT result, hard to say this actor is unknown in the program. | | | | Images from movies | | | | Last edited: by surfeur51 |
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| Registered: July 29, 2007 | | Posts: 183 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
Need something more for the proof ? Not for me. If nobody has a different opinion I'll finish and upload the profile of the german version called "In der High School ist die Hölle los"  over the weekend. With Jean Dujardin credited as Brice Agostini I'll keep the original movie title locally afterwards  Thanks for you effort and I'm still sorry for the trouble. | | | | Last edited: by Corma |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | What? What are you going on about? I am not talking within the program either. When I mentioned the program is worldwide... I am saying our users are from all over the world.
You know actors from all over... well Yippee for you! But you can't expect other people to have the same knowledge. I never said that films from countries other then mine isn't worth seeing.
All I am saying is...
You can't expect people from all over the world to know who any one star is... no matter how big they are. I don't expect people from all over the world to know who the mega-stars of the USA are. I fully expect that their names are not as big (or maybe even completely unknown) in other areas in the world.
You should be looking at yourself as the exception... not as the rule. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | It is not unusual for an actor to be known by more than one name. Invelos even has a pinned thread that deals with this topic: http://invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=194176.
You can peruse the thread to see how the process is done. It really is quite simple, it just takes a little time researching the information and documenting the data. |
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  | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 8,733 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
And with a 72/117 CLT result, hard to say this actor is unknown in the program. All this talk about whether the guy is well-known or unknown is utterly pointless - no matter who we're talking about, it'll always depend on who you ask. The only thing that matters here is that it's now documented that the one and only correct entry for this particular credit in this particular film is "Jean Dujardin [Brice Agostini]". | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
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| Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
You should be looking at yourself as the exception... not as the rule. I do not consider me as the rule, nor as an exception. As for everybody, there are actors I do not know. But I do not consider them as "unknown". I find it insulting for those people to consider they are "unknown" just because you have not seen the movies in which they have the main role. You seem to consider Dujardin is probably known only by French people : Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
I know I never heard of this person... and willing to bet the majority of the world (beyond France) hasn't either. Do you mean that only French people like French movies ? I too find this insulting, specially for thousands of non-French lovers of movies that like to watch French movies. | | | | Images from movies |
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| Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
The only thing that matters here is that it's now documented that the one and only correct entry for this particular credit in this particular film is "Jean Dujardin [Brice Agostini]". is that so different of what I wrote in the previous page ? I hardly see your point ... Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
So we should have :
Jean Dujardin (credited as Brice Agostini) - Warrior | | | | Images from movies |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
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You should be looking at yourself as the exception... not as the rule.
I do not consider me as the rule, nor as an exception. As for everybody, there are actors I do not know. But I do not consider them as "unknown". I find it insulting for those people to consider they are "unknown" just because you have not seen the movies in which they have the main role.
You seem to consider Dujardin is probably known only by French people :
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I know I never heard of this person... and willing to bet the majority of the world (beyond France) hasn't either.
Do you mean that only French people like French movies ? I too find this insulting, specially for thousands of non-French lovers of movies that like to watch French movies. No I don't think that only French people like French movies... I put that because you said... Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
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How can we say which is the name an actor is known? -> Perhaps depending on personnel knowledge or other subjective points.
 This could be a question for unknown actors, but in France Jean Dujardin is known by quite everybody, probably much more than Harrison Ford, Bruce Willis, Nicole Kidman or even Sean Connery. Would you ask which is the common name for Nicole Kidman? See what I put in bold... it was you that singled out the French people in that post.... so my response was going by what you yourself said... nothing more then that. That is why I said the majority... and not none. Considering the entire world. Not just the USA I believe that would be true for the majority of the people in the entire world. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
See what I put in bold... it was you that singled out the French people in that post.... Yes, I wrote "in France Jean Dujardin is known by quite everybody, ". But for me, this is not at all equivalent to "outside France, Jean Dujardin is unknown by quite everybody", so I disagree with your "He may be an unknown to people other then the French... " | | | | Images from movies | | | | Last edited: by surfeur51 |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Disagree all you like....
To me Never heard of = Unknown (at least to those people).
But let me see if I can put what I am trying to say a little clearer and simpler.
You can't expect people from all over the world to know the same people you do. Because of this if I need to put uncredited or common name or what have you when you need to prove who someone is... I write it... using same documentation for the mega-superstars that I know as I do someone where it may be their first film... because I don't expect anyone to be familiar with the same people I am no matter who they are or where they come from. I consider everybody an unknown when it comes to contributing. Why? Because everybody is unknown to someone some where.
That is the basis of what I was trying to say. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: January 1, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,087 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Corma: Quote:
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Then you get the correct linking and you have also the current movie credit tracked.
Hm, maybe I once more don't get the point but it won't help at all. At least not in this case finding out if I'm allowed to use AKA or not. So far there is no connection between the two names except some other people might know better but afaik didn't share their knowledge. At least not here at Inveloes. I guess the french people are already ROTFL about us
You got help from surfeur which is perfect. But perhaps the wikipedia site would also be proof enough. At break at work I found another site which you could have taken, but I can't find the site now, damn. Quote:
BTW: if I upload my "new" profile it will be called "In der High School ist die Hölle los" This title is very hard to connect to the movie. I first thought I've got a wrong delivery. AKA search at imdb brought up a completly different movie. I think the CLT will not see that it's the same movie and I highly doubt many users will see it. Together with correct profiles of Hellphone it would influence the results of the CLT more than it seem if I understand the way the CLT works correctly.
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I'll keep the original movie title locally afterwards Please add the original title to the profile! And not only local. The CLT count for one title is based on Original title (If not entered: Title) and if I remember correct Production Year. If one differs from the others, it will be a counted two titles instead one. If you want to add sources to show it is the same movie: http://www.sunfilm.de/de/profile.php?id=223&st=0&ty=1http://www.ofdb.de/film/132643,Hellphone---Ein-teuflisches-HandyBtw, what's the on-screen title at movie beginning? | | | | Last edited: by VirusPil |
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| Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
... when you need to prove who someone is... I write it... using same documentation for the mega-superstars that I know as I do someone where it may be their first film... because I don't expect anyone to be familiar with the same people I am no matter who they are or where they come from. I consider everybody an unknown when it comes to contributing. Why? Because everybody is unknown to someone some where. OK, that is great. I really admire you to give a complete documentation proving Bruce Willis and Nicole Kidman are the common names of those actors each time you contribute one of their movies.  | | | | Images from movies |
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