Quoting VirusPil:

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I would allow both.

If we can invent roles, why not also dividers. (Of course mentioned in the contribution notes)

Because one is specifically allowed in the rules, the other is not.

Quoting VirusPil:

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Of course correct, but it is also not explicit forbidden.

This is turning out to become a recurring problem around here... That really shouldn't be thought of as a valid line of reasoning. Basic example: the rules don't explicitly forbid contributing the cover scans upside-down. Does that mean we should do that? I hope you understand the problem. If "it's not explicitly forbidden" is a valid excuse, then we can mess up pretty much each and every field beyond belief...

Quoting T!M:

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Basic example: the rules don't explicitly forbid contributing the cover scans upside-down. Does that mean we should do that?

Hi T!M,
I hope you are well.  A recent example saw a front cover being used as a back cover! (The Stormriders Trilogy).

Speaking as a newcomer here, it does appear that there is a very simplistic approach to Rules.  The Rules can be broken into 2 distinct groups: those that say "you can" and those that say "you can't." There doesn't appear to be any attempt to reconcile these 2 positions and extrapolate a reasonable position when cracks appear.

For example, disallowing the creation of Dividers because the Rules specfically allow for it within Roles is unsophisticated; it merely relies on utilising the 2 categories of rules as stated above.  However, all it means is that when the Rules for Dividers were developed, they hadn't considered "what if" there's a group of actors in a non-standard Role.  So, a debate on the pro's and con's of utilising Dividers should be based on the merits of actually using the Dividers rather than merely stating the Rules say it's allowed for Roles and but don't say its allowed for Dividers...

What do you think?

Quoting Addicted2DVD:

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Do not contribute generic "Coming Soon" images. If the back image is not yet available (as in a pre-release), use the front images in both places.

So as I said it probably was just never updated after the release.

Thanks Addicted2DVD, you help my point.  The above situation was considered and a Ruling was given.

Quoting J68:

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Quoting Addicted2DVD:

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Do not contribute generic "Coming Soon" images. If the back image is not yet available (as in a pre-release), use the front images in both places.

So as I said it probably was just never updated after the release.

Thanks Addicted2DVD, you help my point.  The above situation was considered and a Ruling was given.

Yeah... it was considered... worked out and presented to the owners for them to say either yes or no.

Since making these boards the owners gave us a specific forum to attempt to do this HERE. Such discussions really shouldn't take place in the contribution forum which is meant to discuss how to contribute to the rules as they are now.

My opinion is based on both ways that this topic can be read. The first way being that the poll was created as a result of another topic. In that topic, no cast credits (and therefore no roles either) existed in the end credits at all. All had to be added from another source. The second way being how the initial post makes the topic sound to me. That is, saying that there actually is a cast listing found in the credits but still no cast roles.


In both cases I would vote not to add dividers due the lacking any existence of any dividers within the film credits (with the exception that in the second example (of cast in credits but without roles) are somehow grouped together in a logical way (such as a batch of 6 squared off with a gap and then another batch of three, and so on... each performing a different grouped role)

I also feel that, due to lack of a rule (that I know of, either specific or implied) about "no roles listed," if dividers were used and then someone found reason to change the role names -- more specifically to break them up from "apes" to one "orangutan," five "apes," and one "chimpanzee" -- how are they then reordered in the cast list and then regrouped with dividers?

Lack of any other reason, not using dividers is the simpler option with the fewest possible changing variables.