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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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SScott think of it this way,with both films on the same disc and same side,you are dealing with a SINGLE Disc ID, you can't create two different profiles for the same disc ID.
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You don't understand this part:
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Create the profile for the main feature in line with the standard Contribution Rules with the title of the Bonus Feature Film added to the Other Features field. Create a child profile for the "Bonus Feature Film" using the individual UPC if available or use Disc ID (read on a DVD-ROM) if not available.

In the main profile you should mention the bonus film only as "other feature". Cast and crew may only be added to a child profile. Therefore you either profile the bonus film as a child profile or if not possible you can't add it at all.

Since I agree with your interpretation of the rule I guess we both don't understand. 

Oh, I see. I thought you wanted to add the cast/crew to the parent. Yes, we both agree that the contribution which you have quoted does not follow the rules and should have been declined.
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So what you are saying....

The original profile did not have hte cast and crew for the bonus feature in the main profile...

and

Since there wasn't a second disc, the cast and crew were not profiled there either.  So

By what you are saying, the cast and crew for the "Bonus Film" should not be added at all,  Only the mention of the bonus film in the features.

Do I understand this right?

Charlie

I would agree to this.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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And Rho is incorrect the Zprofile is correct as approved.It is no different than say, Village of the Damned/Children of the Damned which has two movies on the same side of one disc. Sorry Rho, but you are dead wrong. It is not even per the definition really a Bonus Film it is ONLY twomovies on the same side of One Disc. That simple and very easy and properly dealt with.
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BTW Ken had already said to not bring the contribution vote on the forum if you disagree with them. The screeners had the last words and if you don't agree with them just contribute it the way it was...

I don't think that applies in this case, Scott isn't criticizing anybody's votes or calling anybody out by name for voting a particular way, which were the reasons Ken made that ruling in the first place.
Although it may have been worded a bit better, Scott's OP is more concerned with the screeners' decision which I believe (and hope) is still a valid subject for discussion, especially if it highlights problems with the rules, which in this case I believe it does.
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The way I read the rule the cast and crew data cannot be entered for a bonus film unless it can be entered in a seperate child profile.

I would disagree with that interpretation. I believe the current rule simply assumes the bonus film is on a separate disc and doesn't cover what you should do if it is not.
If Invelos want us to profile bonus films on the same disc, that should be covered in the rules, if Invelos don't want us to profile them - that also should be clearly stated.

When the bonus disc part has been added to the rules (aka the Ben-Hur case) nobody has been thinking of bonus feature films on the same disc as the main feature. But since bonus feature films have not been allowed before this addition and the way this addition is formulated, it is safe to assume that the main profile should be added as normal profile where the bonus is only mentioned as other feature and as link for the child profile. This way those who don't want the bonus to be profiled can simply leave out the child. But I also agree that this should be clarified in the rules.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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North and the screener's decision was correct. I was wrong in my Initial response to Scott because I misunderstood the ciorcumstances of the title.
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Ok same  disc,same side, is NOT a  Bonus feature,Scott.I though it was two separate discs. The only way to handle what you are describing is via Episode Divider.

That would be technical possible but not allowed by the rules.
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Rho:

Scott has been provided with the correct answer.Further discussion is bloviating and provides nothing helpful to anyone.
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Ok same  disc,same side, is NOT a  Bonus feature,Scott.I though it was two separate discs. The only way to handle what you are describing is via Episode Divider.

That would be technical possible but not allowed by the rules.

It's the only possible answer, Rho. And neither it is against the rules. It is not there period. Largely because there is not a great deal of such titles out there, a few but not a lot.

Under your ummm no comment, you cannot create a Profile for Village of the damned/Children of the damned, which is just utter nonsense.
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That would be technical possible but not allowed by the rules.

It's the only possible answer, Rho. And neither it is against the rules. It is not there period. Largely because there is not a great deal of such titles out there, a few but not a lot.

Yes, the rules expicitely say:
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Create the profile for the main feature in line with the standard Contribution Rules with the title of the Bonus Feature Film added to the Other Features field.

Therefore no cast/crew for the bonus in the main profile.
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Ok same  disc,same side, is NOT a  Bonus feature,Scott.

I think we shall have to disagree on this then, but it's no big deal.

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SScott think of it this way,with both films on the same disc and same side,you are dealing with a SINGLE Disc ID, you can't create two different profiles for the same disc ID.

I can see that, but the rule specifically says that these are not to be treated as double features.  It's even still listed in the "Other Features" field for the profile.  I don't see how you could have it listed both ways.

As I said, no big deal.  I'll try to mind my own business in the future and keep quiet when I see bad data being contributed.  I already mostly vote neutral these days.

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Under your ummm no comment, you cannot create a Profile for Village of the damned/Children of the damned, which is just utter nonsense.

Sorry, the rules explicitely make a difference between a bonus feature film and a double feature:
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These are not the same as Double Features
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I have seen many DVDs that use the episode divider to separate two films.

I believe this issue has been brought up many times before without a definitive answer from the powers that be.
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It is not even per the definition really a Bonus Film it is ONLY twomovies on the same side of One Disc.

That's not quite correct.  A quick look at the front and back cover of the artwork should dispel that idea.

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(...) I believe this issue has been brought up many times before without a definitive answer from the powers that be.

As far as I am concerned, bonus feature films on the same disc as the main feature is discussed the first time in this forum. We are not talking about double features which would be profiled as box set (with a common parent and two children) when they would be on two discs. We are talking about a bonus feature film which can be added as a child if possible, but the main profile is not a box set profile but a regular profile, where the bonus is mentioned as other feature only.
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