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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting samuelrichardscott: Quote:
Quoting Winston Smith:
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Quoting Dr. Killpatient:
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I sometimes shop Blockbuster's $5 bin and they have many rental-only versions there - so yes.
At that point you OWN them. Renting is NOT owning.
But they still have different extras/audio/subs/UPC's and say Rental Copy on them (at least in the UK).
I can't think of a single reason NOT to add them, especially if they have different UPC's. You'd be surprised how many ex-rentals are for sale in the used market. Sam: I understand that, and as I said once you OWN it, fine, but as a RENTAL...so what...who cares.You rented it,it is NOT part of your collection. What are you managing? | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | I just had another look at the rules and, as written, it doesn't matter whether they are rental or retail versions. As long as they are " legal, professionally produced discs," they are allowed in the main database. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 693 |
| | Posted: | | | | Many people buy rental copies here in Israel. I own only one rental copy myself, so my vote is YES. | | | | October 12th, 1985. Tonight, a comedian died in New York. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr. Killpatient: Quote:
Quoting Winston Smith:
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Quoting Dr. Killpatient:
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I sometimes shop Blockbuster's $5 bin and they have many rental-only versions there - so yes.
At that point you OWN them. Renting is NOT owning. [snip] I don't collect rentals.  
Of course I own them once I purchase them (never said I was renting) - but simply because this DVD was once (as in past-tense) rental-only doesn't mean it can't be in the DVDP database.
Poor rentals. First whites & Native Americans, then whites & blacks, man & woman's rights, straight & gay, store bought & previous rental bought. Doc.I am not talking about a pre-viewed former rental title that you have purchased, II am talking about titles that are RENTALS. There are still lots of Blockbuster stores and there are many titles which have never moved to sale, but are strictly rental. I once ran a Blockbuster in the pre-DVD days and i doubt seriously if there strategy has changed much in this regard, not every title moves from rental shelf to sale shelf,in point of fact the only titles which will typically move to sell thru are those titles which they own in quantity, many titles,in fact the majority of the titles at blockbuster are 1s and 2s per titles and may not move to sell thru, ever and some of those are "exclusive" titles,meaning they are Blockbuster specific, even though there may also be a version sold elsewhere. Why should such titles be cataloged (asa rental).Like I said, once it is owned that becomes a whole 'nuther ball game, but just a rental....no. I don't know about you, but I buy movies and collect them, movies I rent if I rent them are not part of my collection and i don't collect rentals, I collect what i can PURCHASE. Perhaps if a fine point but it is very definitely a point with a difference. IF i can purchase it either new or as pre-viewed then it should be cataloged,if all I can do is rent it, then who cares. It's the difference between ownership and renting. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Draxen: Quote:
Slightly off-topic:
I have at least one ex-rental that I have never seen having been sold anywhere (Finnish locality "Out of the Cold" (2001)). I wonder if it is common at all to release movies ONLY for rental versions? That's something I've never heard of before, although I have heard of discs getting a rental window before the retail was released. Perhaps in this case it didn't rent very well so the retail release was cancelled. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
I just had another look at the rules and, as written, it doesn't matter whether they are rental or retail versions. As long as they are " legal, professionally produced discs," they are allowed in the main database. Very true, but you aren't addressing the point made, in fact, you seem to be completely ignoring it. You are addressing only that part that you want to deal with instead of the whole issue. Which is ownership versus strictly rental. If all you can do is rent a copy of title A, it is not available for sale, then why do you want to catalog it. Once it can be owned is a new game and i say catalog it at that point. But as long as it is rental only. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
Quoting Draxen:
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Slightly off-topic:
I have at least one ex-rental that I have never seen having been sold anywhere (Finnish locality "Out of the Cold" (2001)). I wonder if it is common at all to release movies ONLY for rental versions?
That's something I've never heard of before, although I have heard of discs getting a rental window before the retail was released. Perhaps in this case it didn't rent very well so the retail release was cancelled. North: I can't say I have heard of it here in the States, but I have seen it mentioned before relative the overseas rental industry, I don't know how common it might be, but I have seen it discussed before | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: September 18, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,650 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
Quoting samuelrichardscott:
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Quoting Winston Smith:
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Quoting Dr. Killpatient:
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I sometimes shop Blockbuster's $5 bin and they have many rental-only versions there - so yes.
At that point you OWN them. Renting is NOT owning.
But they still have different extras/audio/subs/UPC's and say Rental Copy on them (at least in the UK).
I can't think of a single reason NOT to add them, especially if they have different UPC's. You'd be surprised how many ex-rentals are for sale in the used market.
Sam:
I understand that, and as I said once you OWN it, fine, but as a RENTAL...so what...who cares.You rented it,it is NOT part of your collection. What are you managing? Huh? I own them, but they are still 'rental copies'. For example I own this: http://dvd-subtitles.com/3-way-d21753.html As you can see, the cover art clearly says rental copy. Because I own it, should I pretend it isn't there? The UPC is different to the retail copy: http://dvd-subtitles.com/3-way-d20722.html So actually, yes, the rental version IS part of my collection. I track what I own under owned and I own this 'Rental Copy'. That doesn't stop it being a rental version of the disc. Also, in the UK at least, different companies are behind the rental and retail versions. High Fliers have a lot of rental releases that are released by Tartan, Metrodome etc for retail. | | | | Last edited: by samuelrichardscott |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | NO. SAM read what I am saying. IF you OWN it by all means then it should be cataloged,but I know that we have users who simply want to catalog their rentals for some reason which frankly escapes me. So if you can only rent the title then it should not be cataloged beyond local,IF you can own it then by all means go for it. It is part of your COLLECTION at that point and that is the purpose of the program...to manage your collection. I think I am very clear on this.  | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: September 18, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,650 |
| | Posted: | | | | You weren't clear but you are now.  | | | | Last edited: by samuelrichardscott |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
Quoting TheMadMartian:
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I just had another look at the rules and, as written, it doesn't matter whether they are rental or retail versions. As long as they are " legal, professionally produced discs," they are allowed in the main database.
Very true, but you aren't addressing the point made, in fact, you seem to be completely ignoring it. You are addressing only that part that you want to deal with instead of the whole issue. Which is ownership versus strictly rental. If all you can do is rent a copy of title A, it is not available for sale, then why do you want to catalog it. Once it can be owned is a new game and i say catalog it at that point. But as long as it is rental only. I didn't address 'the point made' because I don't think it is relevant to the conversation. Sure, I could have stated that it wasn't relevant, but that would have been rude and wouldn't have served any purpose. Instead, I simply stated that, under the current rules, they are allowed...which is all that matters when it comes to contributions. Please understand, I am not trying to start a fight, just explaining why I didn't address that particular point.  That being said, to address the point made...because some people like to catalogue the films that they have watched, not just the films that they own. Since the rules allow it, and it has absolutely no affect on me, what do I care? | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: May 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,934 |
| | Posted: | | | | I OWN several rental copies (A lot of movies I could care less about the extras). These I have cataloged.
There are movies in rental pipe, that are rental copies, that have never moved to the discount table, and therefore have never been for sale (as a rental version) to the general public.
I do not personally have any aversion to putting these into the main DB, as long as they have distinct UPC/EAN, I do not personally track my "rentals", but I am sure there are people that do, for there own reasons.
So let them in, I say.... |
| | Registered: December 10, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,004 |
| | Posted: | | | | I track movies I rent as well as ones I own (thanks for custom categories, Ken), so thsi would be useful even if they didn't generally end up sold. I've added a bunch of Fox rental Blu-rays, which are basically the same thing as the regular release, but with a digital copy. |
| | Registered: May 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,934 |
| | Posted: | | | | I must add one caveat -
Since this is a peer review system, it may make it difficult to peer review some of these that have been rental only. (unless somebody wants to rent the rental version to verify)
Charlie |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Martian: I understand what you are saying but let me ask this. "Keep track of your entire DVD collectionHow are rentals part of any collection. Color me , but something which I do not own is not part of a collection,it belongs to someone else's collection (inventory). I am missing something. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting CharlieM: Quote:
I must add one caveat -
Since this is a peer review system, it may make it difficult to peer review some of these that have been rental only. (unless somebody wants to rent the rental version to verify)
Charlie Very good point, Charlie. Asan example, I don't know how many have noticed but I have observed that many films which are broadcast on TV have drastically modified Cast and Crew lists from the same title on some medium...not to mention they move a whole lot faster BTW UI don't find the term relevant or irrelevant to be offensive or argumentative. When I use the terms I gemnerally will try to explain at some point why I think this is true,and if i don't if you ask I would explain why.If simply said something was irrelevant or even relevant, if I couldn't figure out why you believe that,I might well ask why you believe it so, but in and of themselves the terms are neither argumentative or offensive. And yes I think i understand where you were coming from...I hpeso anyway. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
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