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| Registered: April 3, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,998 |
| | Posted: | | | | | | | | Last edited: by ninehours |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
Just a reminder that this thread still exists, and was signed off by Ken when it was created. Indeed it was, and Ken made no flippin' sense with Slip cases sometmes being Slip Cover because of something that is not logical, that is why I ultimately keep case data to myself. That was an irrational and completely illogical call at the time and remains so to day A Slip Case is a Slip Case and a Slip Cover is a Slip Cover a Sklip case is NEVER a Slip Cover. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: January 1, 2009 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 3,087 |
| | Posted: | | | | If I did understand the question correct, all 3 movies are in one Digipack. These Digipack is in a Slip Cover. Why should I remove the Slip Cover on the Child profiles? Can't see the sense in this.  If there were 3 Keep Cases in a Slip Cover* it would look different, because the child have their own casing. Edit: *changed Slip Case to Slip Cover. | | | | Last edited: by VirusPil |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | No they are in a Slip CASE, Virus. A Slip Cover is a different animal, a "D" or "O" case depending on the lingo. it has two cuts(very commonly used today) a Slip Case has one way in or out, typically heavier duty than a Slip COVER. Therein lies the confusion, we an use a a specific case with a Slip Cover but we cannot with a Slip Case, except that it seems that ken thinks sometimes a Slip case is a Slip Cover, which is just not rational.  | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
|   | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 8,733 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
ken thinks sometimes a Slip case is a Slip Cover, which is just not rational. Ken simply doesn't distinguish between "one way in or out" or two - that's something one or two users have plucked out of thin air, but really isn't any kind of factor in deciding what it is at all. Nor is the concept that one would be "typically heavier duty" than the other. Both are completely immaterial for our purposes, and frankly, I see that as a pretty sensible decision. The fact that "Slip Case" and "Slip Cover" still remain pretty confusing terms is less fortunate, though. |
| | Registered: January 1, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,087 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
No they are in a Slip CASE, Virus. A Slip Cover is a different animal, a "D" or "O" case depending on the lingo. it has two cuts(very commonly used today) a Slip Case has one way in or out, typically heavier duty than a Slip COVER. Therein lies the confusion, we an use a a specific case with a Slip Cover but we cannot with a Slip Case, except that it seems that ken thinks sometimes a Slip case is a Slip Cover, which is just not rational. I was not making assumption if it is really a Slip Case or a Slip Cover. I just took the given information "Slip Cover" and made my decision on this. And Sorry for my second part of my post in which I mixed it. I will edit it for less confusion. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Tim:
The slip case for let's say Alien Quad is NOTY the same as the slip cover for Pinocchio, tjhey are two completely different cases, one is a Slip CASE and the other is a Slip COVER, this has been true for many many years even pre-dating DVD, even pre-dating Video, books have used both of these cases for decades and called them the same thing they are today. The case for Hawaii Five-O and Al;en Quad are precisely the same thing, they are both Slip CASES, the difference is the contents of those cases, one is a Digipak and the other is Keep Cases and that I address as should be proper the parent is a Slip Case and the children are what they are. A Slip CASE does not become a Slip Cover based upon it's content. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: January 1, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,087 |
| | Posted: | | | | Doesn't a Slip Case holds always more than one other case, to be a Slip Case in DVDP? |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting VirusPil: Quote:
Doesn't a Slip Case holds always more than one other case, to be a Slip Case in DVDP? Yes, for profiler purposes "Slip Case" is a case type to be used solely for parent profiles as the type of case which holds the individually packaged children together. If the children are not individually packed, then the parent gets the same case type as the children. On the other hand "Slip Cover" has nothing to do with parent/child profiles. It's an attribute which can be added to any case type, if there is a second packaging around the main case. I know that I have at the same time generalised and simplified this topic and that there are exceptions which usually fall into the category "Custom Case". |
| | Registered: February 23, 2009 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 1,580 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote:
Yes, for profiler purposes "Slip Case" is a case type to be used solely for parent profiles as the type of case which holds the individually packaged children together. If the children are not individually packed, then the parent gets the same case type as the children. That's what I also do: - if the children are not individually packed (everything in one keep case that is inside a slip cover or slip case), then I use the same cover scans and case type for the children - if the children are individually packed (for example, two keep cases in one slip case), then I use individual cover scans for the children. In this case, it seems the first option applies (all children together in one digipak, with a slip over it), so I would use the scan of the slip. | | | Blu-ray collection
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| | Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
Quoting northbloke:
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Just a reminder that this thread still exists, and was signed off by Ken when it was created.
Indeed it was, and Ken made no flippin' sense with Slip cases sometmes being Slip Cover because of something that is not logical, that is why I ultimately keep case data to myself. That was an irrational and completely illogical call at the time and remains so to day A Slip Case is a Slip Case and a Slip Cover is a Slip Cover a Sklip case is NEVER a Slip Cover. You might want to bring this issue up to the rules committee. Until then, like many other areas of disagreement, we must follow the rules that Ken has in place. |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting VirusPil: Quote:
If I did understand the question correct, all 3 movies are in one Digipack. These Digipack is in a Slip Cover. Why should I remove the Slip Cover on the Child profiles? Can't see the sense in this.
If there were 3 Keep Cases in a Slip Cover* it would look different, because the child have their own casing.
Edit: *changed Slip Case to Slip Cover. The way I look at it, and I think the way Ken looks at it as well is that the parent profile as a whole is a digipak with a slip cover over it, but on the disc level (the child profile) each disc doesn't have it's own slip cover, they're simply stored in a digipak. By ticking the slip cover box on the child profiles you're suggesting that there are 3 slip covers each over an individual disc before a final 4th slip cover is put over the full digipak. Does that make sense? |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
Quoting VirusPil:
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If I did understand the question correct, all 3 movies are in one Digipack. These Digipack is in a Slip Cover. Why should I remove the Slip Cover on the Child profiles? Can't see the sense in this.
If there were 3 Keep Cases in a Slip Cover* it would look different, because the child have their own casing.
Edit: *changed Slip Case to Slip Cover.
The way I look at it, and I think the way Ken looks at it as well is that the parent profile as a whole is a digipak with a slip cover over it, but on the disc level (the child profile) each disc doesn't have it's own slip cover, they're simply stored in a digipak.
By ticking the slip cover box on the child profiles you're suggesting that there are 3 slip covers each over an individual disc before a final 4th slip cover is put over the full digipak.
Does that make sense? As I said in an earlier post. At first I was confused and undecided on this matter. But through this thread I now agree completely with this. | | | | Pete |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | I've never cared for that Ruling by Ken, and do not follow it locally.
A digipak in my mind is not separate packaging, as is a Keep Case or a ThinPak.
Slip Cases, which are used when the children have there own packaging; e.g. Keep Cases or ThinPaks, have their own cover art for the parent while the child cases have their own cover art. So you would not want to use Slip Case for the children.
To my way of thinking, the case type for the profile should reflect where the cover images for that profile are coming from. If you enter digipak without the slip cover, then the cover images should come from the digipak. In my experience, digipaks rarely have the cover images that we want in profiler.
Since the cover images for the children for a boxset containing a digipak with a slip cover come from the slip cover, I believe the slip cover should be included with the children. | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kathy: Quote:
Quoting Prof. Kingsfield:
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Quoting northbloke:
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Just a reminder that this thread still exists, and was signed off by Ken when it was created.
Indeed it was, and Ken made no flippin' sense with Slip cases sometmes being Slip Cover because of something that is not logical, that is why I ultimately keep case data to myself. That was an irrational and completely illogical call at the time and remains so to day A Slip Case is a Slip Case and a Slip Cover is a Slip Cover a Sklip case is NEVER a Slip Cover.
You might want to bring this issue up to the rules committee.
Until then, like many other areas of disagreement, we must follow the rules that Ken has in place. No, Kathy, I don't have to any such thing. I have stated my confusion and why, i have also stated that I do it the way I want locally. Thank you very much. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
No they are in a Slip CASE, Virus. A Slip Cover is a different animal, a "D" or "O" case depending on the lingo. it has two cuts(very commonly used today) a Slip Case has one way in or out, typically heavier duty than a Slip COVER. Since this is not the definition of Slip Case vs Slip Cover that Ken has defined for the purposes of entering data into DVDP, this statement does nothing but add confusion in people's minds. Ken's definition is very straight forward to me. If the outer container contains individually packaged child discs, e.g. Keep Cases or ThinPaks, then it is a Slip Case for DVDP purposes. If the outer container does not contain individually packaged child discs, e.g. digipak, then it is a Slip Cover for DVDP purposes. This is very straight forward to me and I have never had any problem distinguishing one from the other. | | | | Hal |
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