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| Registered: January 1, 2009 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 3,087 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Staid S Barr: Quote:
Quoting DarklyNoon:
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No group dividers if they are numbered 
Donnie
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 5,734 |
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Is it OK to use group dividers in cases where actors are credited by the same role but with an addition of a number? No. Quote:
I always assumed that if actors are credited with an individual credit then that's what goes in. Yes. | | | | Don't confuse while the film is playing with when the film is played. [Ken Cole, DVD Profiler Architect] |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Merrik: Quote:
It was my understanding the group dividers were put in place to help more accurately reflect the film's credits. Adding a group divider of >>Children<< is not accurate as the word children (or a group divider) never actually appears in the film. This understanding is correct. We do not create a group divider simply because a group of people share the same role. Credits that look like... John Smith Soldier Jane Sims Soldier Jack Jones Soldier ...would not get a group divider. Credits that look like... Soldiers John Smith Jane Sims Jack Jones ...would. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Right... plus we would also use a divider for...
Soldiers John Smith
Jane Sims
Jack Jones
which I have seen some people question. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 951 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Credits that look like...
John Smith Soldier
Jane Sims Soldier
Jack Jones Soldier
...would not get a group divider. That is what I always thought but, it seems that there may be some other contributors now creating a group role divider when one doesn't exist by making the singluar role "Soldier" into a pural Group Role "Soldiers". | | | Are you local?
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | I would definitely and quickly vote no to that if I saw it. | | | | Pete |
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  | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 8,733 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Tracer: Quote:
Quoting TheMadMartian:
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Credits that look like...
John Smith Soldier
Jane Sims Soldier
Jack Jones Soldier
...would not get a group divider.
That is what I always thought but, it seems that there may be some other contributors now creating a group role divider when one doesn't exist by making the singluar role "Soldier" into a pural Group Role "Soldiers". Yes, there certainly are contributors that are doing this. Many times, this happens when users go through their profiles adding group dividers based on what they see in the profile - not checking the actual credits. In these cases, it should be voted down, of course, but since the voters mostly don't pull out the disc to verify each and every divider addition, that usually doesn't happen... |
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| Registered: May 26, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,878 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Merrik: Quote:
I'd flat out say no, it's not okay.
If there's no group divider, one should not be invented and added into the cast. If the credits read:
Bill Smith as Child #1
Sally Pulse as Child #2
Fred Stone as Child #3
It should be entered exactly as that. Agreed. | | | If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 20,111 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Yes, there certainly are contributors that are doing this. Many times, this happens when users go through their profiles adding group dividers based on what they see in the profile - not checking the actual credits. In these cases, it should be voted down, of course, but since the voters mostly don't pull out the disc to verify each and every divider addition, that usually doesn't happen... And this is happening quite a lot lately. Contributors really need to check the film credits, and not blindly assume that they appear in the film that way. One might generally assume that some roles look like Groupings, when they are actually individually credited in the film. I'd clearly vote No to the invention of Dividers in those cases. | | | | Corey |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | I had no idea this was going on. I should have imagined it... but for some reason it just didn't occur to me. I guess because it would have never occurred to me to do it in the first place. I just spot-checked 3 that were up for votes... of the 3... 1 was completely wrong ( Casualties of War [043396-062924]) 6 Yes Votes to my 1 No Vote 1 was right... but the contributor missed a few of the dividers ( Conspiracy Theory [085391-509127]) All yes Votes. But I didn't feel I could vote no since what he did do is correct... and we are allowed partial contributions... even if it don't seem right in a case like this. 1 was completely right... so I happily voted Yes. I did PM the person with the above notes... and even supplied this screen cap for Casualties of War...  Hopefully this contributor will understand and start checking the credits... and hopefully double check what all he/she has up for vote now. And if voters sees this... it would be appreciated if you check your Casualties of War [043396-062924] vote. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | I was just going over some of my previous votes... and found another reason to be careful.... 10th Kingdom [707729-127185]...  Contributor put... Gypsies (Group Divider) Eve Pearce as Queen Michael McCarthy Adam Levy Paul Sax as Fiddle Vince De Cicco as Accordian Obviously... The Gypsy Queen Fiddle Gypsy Accordian Gypsy ... should not be under the divider. I PM user on this one too. but if you have it.. you may want to check your votes. | | | | Pete |
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| Corne | | Registered: Nov. 1, 2000 |
| Registered: April 5, 2007 | | Posts: 1,059 |
| | Posted: | | | | All these examples just prove again why the actual credits should be checked before adding dividers! | | | | Cor |
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| Registered: May 9, 2007 | | Posts: 1,536 |
| | Posted: | | | | I think that especially the example where actors got the roles of "Fiddle" or "Accordion" under the divider of "Gypsies" is ridiculous.
Probably dreamed up by (Divider) The Village (Role) Idiot, a few lines down.
The same contributor has also used the divider "The Morrises" with roles "Farmer" and "Mrs". (Actually it was another family, but I didn't check again). | | | | Hans |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,414 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Quoting Tracer:
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Quoting TheMadMartian:
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Credits that look like...
John Smith Soldier
Jane Sims Soldier
Jack Jones Soldier
...would not get a group divider.
That is what I always thought but, it seems that there may be some other contributors now creating a group role divider when one doesn't exist by making the singluar role "Soldier" into a pural Group Role "Soldiers".
Yes, there certainly are contributors that are doing this. Many times, this happens when users go through their profiles adding group dividers based on what they see in the profile - not checking the actual credits. In these cases, it should be voted down, of course, but since the voters mostly don't pull out the disc to verify each and every divider addition, that usually doesn't happen... People that don't pull out the disc to verify changes to credits just should not be contributing. Period.  | | | | "This movie has warped my fragile little mind." |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Staid S Barr: Quote:
I think that especially the example where actors got the roles of "Fiddle" or "Accordion" under the divider of "Gypsies" is ridiculous.
Probably dreamed up by (Divider) The Village (Role) Idiot, a few lines down.
The same contributor has also used the divider "The Morrises" with roles "Farmer" and "Mrs". (Actually it was another family, but I didn't check again). The scary part is... 8 votes. 7 Yes 1 No... so there is a good chance it will go through if he don't withdraw/correct the contribution. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: September 30, 2008 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 1,805 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
I had no idea this was going on. I should have imagined it... but for some reason it just didn't occur to me. I guess because it would have never occurred to me to do it in the first place. Ditto. This never even actually occured to me. Now I'm thinking "oh crap... how many incorrect yes votes have I handed out..."  (Which is completely my fault and I'm not trying to pass off blame, I absolutely should've made 100% sure the changes were correct... I got lazy I suppose). I do want to say though, I had one of these group divider contributions come through my local a day or two ago. The contributor changed something such as: John Smith: Child #1 Paul Doe: Child #2 to >>Children<< John Smith: #1 Paul Doe: #2 I voted no and stated that group dividers shouldn't be entered unless there is one actually in the credits. The contributor was very receiving to my no vote, withdrawing the contribution and even pinging me with a green for my no vote (which was very nice of them to do). So I'm hoping that contributors making these changes just aren't aware of what the actual use of the group divider is for and that a no vote, or a thread like this will help educate them on how to use them properly. | | | | The night is calling. And it whispers to me soflty come and play. |
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