Quoting surfeur51:

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most of time, no votes come from different interpretations of unclear rules, added by the fact that some users take in account "clarifications" that were made by Ken/Gerry monthes or years ago, and that are not known by people who read rules but not those so friendly forums...

I fully agree that any "clarifications" to the rules by Ken & Gerry need to find themselves in the actual Rules ASAP.  Contributors shouldn't be expected to have everything posted here committed to memory.

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Quoting Silence_of_Lambs:

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Quoting Astrakan:

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Everything I do with my database I do it for me.

So you're not Bryan Adams then?

Funny stuff.  Greenie from me.

Quoting surfeur51:

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On the contrary, I think voting system is the main cause of the bad atmosphere we have in the contribution forum. Take all the thread that went wrong, most had their origin in a no vote. Perhaps some users vote no for wrong data, but most of time, no votes come from different interpretations of unclear rules, added by the fact that some users take in account "clarifications" that were made by Ken/Gerry monthes or years ago, and that are not known by people who read rules but not those so friendly forums...

I must add that when some people do not find any reason to vote no on your contributions, they just write that your contributions have no credibility... (I can easily quote threads proving that). This is the reason I stopped contributions.

Short of death threats, I see no reason to let anything anyone says stop someone from contributing. To be clear, I'm talking about submitting once work you've already done for yourself - not jumping through hoops and doing re-work.

But once you've done the work for your local, why not contribute it? Why care if some people don't like it? Why care if some people vote no? Why care if it even gets accepted?

Once I hit that submit button, I cease to care what happens to the data. It makes it into the db? Great! It doesn't make it into the db? Great! Whatever happens, I have it in my local.

It takes only a couple of minutes of my time to submit something, so even if only a small percentage of my contributions were accepted I'd still do it, for the simple reason that a stronger database is better for everyone and it takes me almost no work to do it.

Quoting VirusPil:

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But the differences because of the "clarifications" can be often cleared wiht some speaking and pointing out the matter.

could be. Unfortunately, those "clarifications" are the best weapon for those who can't help sending no votes. Rather than discussing, those people prefer try to make others shut up, using their "hijacking the thread" prefered argument.

Quoting Astrakan:

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Once I hit that submit button, I cease to care what happens to the data. It makes it into the db? Great! It doesn't make it into the db? Great! Whatever happens, I have it in my local.

I used to care, but you're completely right.  I like your attitude.

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I can say that I "care" if it is a contribution that I have made. I do look back at votes and notes for a contribution, but I then pick and choose accordingly if it really seems worth it to edit per the no-vote suggestions.

The problem is people taking no votes and declined submissions way too personally.

So the changes don't make it into the database.  Does it really matter concerning you (meaning any of us individually) in particular that it doesn't make it in? It's already in your local database the way that you want it. You can backup your database to keep it the way that you want it, and you can lock the enter DVD to keep any database changes from accidentally slipping in if you really, really want to keep it the way that you have it.

I suppose it can be of concern to other members (the end users).

I'm lazy. I don't want to enter all of the cast and crew data for a new movie. I'd rather just wait for someone else to do it (until then it doesn't really matter that it isn't there in my local database), so if that submission was declined, it means I still have to wait for someone else to come along and add the data properly. But until they do, how does it make any difference to the end user either? The end user isn't constantly receiving messages, "There should have been an update to this profile, but it was declined. Sorry." The end user has no idea about any of it.

Quoting Taro:

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- Screener could be a bit more consistent.

Well, I think the contribution rules, including dozens of public clarifications and additional rulings made by Ken or Gerri, have gotten to a point where it's basically impossible to know it all by heart - for both the users and the screeners. Additionally, lately it seems that pretty much EVERY rule is multi-interpretable: even when a rule flat out says "Don't do X", there's always someone more than happy to spin things to the point where "doing X" regardless of the rule is made to look like an acceptable option. We've seen many recent debates where accompanying poll results show a pretty much evenly split "interpretation" of the rules, and when frequent outcries for a decision in such matters keep going unanswered, it's actually starting to look like we don't have any rules at all anymore... 

I we don't agree whether a certain credit is allowed or not, if we don't agree whether something is unit crew or not, if we don't agree on whether something is a media company or not, and the rules are apparently interpreted in different ways, then how can we expect the screeners to be consistent? I'm guessing they know as much as we do - it would be pretty cruel of Ken if he actually DID rule on all the matters we're bringing to the forum, but chose to only tell the screeners and lets us going around in circles here in the forums. No, since we can't figure things out, and no answers seem to be forthcoming, it seems only logic that the screeners can't figure it out either.

for the first time in over three years I have no pending contributions.. I Just can't be over all demanding on my time and effort ..
In other words I used to enjoy the 'hunt' for new contribution notes, but now wait for them to find me ...

Quoting gardibolt:

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Sorry, my mistake.

No problem.

I'm just sorry that you thought I'd write that post.

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