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That was just given as an example of partial credits that are entered every day by user's of the programme is "Editor" is allowed to be entered under "Film Editor" and "Design/Designer" under "Production Designer" then why is "Recordist" not allowed for "Sound Recordist"?

Because, contrary to those first examples, "recordist" and "sound recordist" are actually two entirely different jobs. Since you brought up editing: I recently audited a TV show that had an "Supervising Editor" credit where you wouldn't expect it. Turns out he was actually the show's script editor, not the film editor. I could jump up and down 'till I'm blue in the face while insisting that he needs to be entered as a film editor, but the guy never edited a foot of film in his life. So of course I didn't enter him as such. So there again, the labels may look alike, but that doesn't mean they refer to the same job.

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I fully support your own suggestion as a perfectly simple solution to all this: the "Primarily used in older films" note for the "Sound" credit needs to be changed to "Only use when there's no production sound mixing credit".

But this change was not made so Ken obviously did not want it

Lots of extremely good suggestions have seemingly gone unnoticed - I'm not going to take that as an endorsement for doing the exact opposite just yet. Instead, let's try and draw his attention to it once more. No matter what side you're on, I think we can all agree that the "Primarily used in older films" note as it stands today doesn't actually do any kind of good for anyone, so addressing this, either way, would be good. And "only use the 'sound' credit when there's no production sound mixing credit" would do a wonderful and pretty much fool-proof job of solving this once and for all, as well as actually achieving the result I believe the current note was supposed to achieve.

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Then you need to get the rule changed

Well, I'd like to see the note clarified.

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as far as i am concerned (and others) these credits are allowed under the current rules

And as far as I'm concerned, they are definitely not allowed under the current rules.

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i have profiles where Recordists have been entered (not by me) and there are more being entered every day

Similarly, I, and several others that I know of, are busy removing any such incorrect credits every day.

And so it goes...    Again, allowing "recordists" while changing the note for the sound credit to "only use the 'sound' credit when there's no production sound mixing credit" would solve the whole thing. Ken...? Please?

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But this credit is exactly were you would expect it... in the Sound Credits.

Of course it is: it's a studio technician assisting the re-recording mixers, which why he's listed near them. That doesn't make him someone we track, though.

a submission as just been made adding a "Recordist" to a profile i own (not me)

if Ken doesn't want these he needs to say so

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And as i have said before [...]

Yes, you've said it multiple times, but unfortunately, you're still wrong. By all means, go and take the film this thread is based on to someone working in the film sound business, and let him explain to you what this particular "recordist" actually does. Maybe then you'll understand why entering this is the same as entering that script editor as a film editor - yes, the labels may look alike, but the jobs are entirely different.

But we are not talking about people in the "Industry" we are talking about ordinary every day people who have little knowledge of the film industry and can only go by the credits on disc

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But we are not talking about people in the "Industry" we are talking about ordinary every day people who have little knowledge of the film industry and can only go by the credits on disc

I understand. And faced with a "Supervising Editor" credit for that script editor, no doubt there will be someone happily entering that as a film editor. It's an understandable mistake, but it still doesn't make the man a film editor, and I refuse to enter him as such. If "can only go by the credits on disc" means that I have to enter such a story editor as a film editor, then I disagree. And this is the exact same thing. Additionally, we have already the same situation within sound already, too: a sound mixing credit may refer to either production sound, or re-recording. I understand how nice black and white is, but unfortunately, things never are.

Look, I understand the concern of "how will the average user be able to determine this?", but we've solved that already. The one thing that needs to happen is to change the "sound" note to "only use the 'sound' credit when there's no production sound mixing credit". That is how the average user will be able to determine this - couldn't be easier.

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Well, they're not allowed to be entered under the current rules.

Yes... They are

No, they're not. 

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Yes they are   

I'll see your    and I'll raise you another:     

And no, they're not allowed.