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If the Bee Gees were given a special credit, as these performers were, I don't see why not. This is the first time I have ever seen musical performers picked out like this, normally you find them buried among the song writers and publishers - in which case I wouldn't agree to their inclusion.
But in this case we have a specific list of performers only (no writers or publishers) directly preceding the cast list.

Some song performers are listed in the opening credits too. "Love Theme Composed by X and Performed by Y." List those too? Or just "Song Title Sung by X" in the opening credits. Are we only going to exclude buried performer credits?

Interesting point - I would exclude the Title Song one because it's not heard within the body of the film, from what I understand these performers are heard within the film itself.
I have to admit I haven't seen an example of the "Love Theme" one you mention, and I don't know whether I'd include it or not.
I still think this film seems to be a special case, I've never seen song performers picked out for special treatment in this way before. As such, I still see nothing in the rules that forbid their inclusion. If cast lists are allowed to include puppeteers and ADR voices/loop groups it seems odd not to allow these. Obviously knowing that they recorded these songs for the film would help a lot. 

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If the Bee Gees were given a special credit, as these performers were, I don't see why not. This is the first time I have ever seen musical performers picked out like this, normally you find them buried among the song writers and publishers - in which case I wouldn't agree to their inclusion.
But in this case we have a specific list of performers only (no writers or publishers) directly preceding the cast list.

Some song performers are listed in the opening credits too. "Love Theme Composed by X and Performed by Y." List those too? Or just "Song Title Sung by X" in the opening credits. Are we only going to exclude buried performer credits?

Interesting point - I would exclude the Title Song one because it's not heard within the body of the film, from what I understand these performers are heard within the film itself.
I have to admit I haven't seen an example of the "Love Theme" one you mention, and I don't know whether I'd include it or not.
I still think this film seems to be a special case, I've never seen song performers picked out for special treatment in this way before. As such, I still see nothing in the rules that forbid their inclusion. If cast lists are allowed to include puppeteers and ADR voices/loop groups it seems odd not to allow these. Obviously knowing that they recorded these songs for the film would help a lot. 

Damn, back to back good points.

James, yeah, I can see where you are coming from because, IIRC, some Bond movies have "Bond theme performed by X". I honestly don't know if I'd add that.

On the other hand, I agree with northbloke (in particular the part I bolded). I don't think this is much different from ADR voices.

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In ot5her words Alien, you don't think it is any different form other Non-Cast Cast.

Like I said before on this type of topic, let's solve thiws once and for all. All Crew members are cast, we know fasr more than the filmmakers and gaffers are performers, the have a task to perrform during the project, that makes them Cast. Soget rid of crew and rol;l EVERYBODY inot the cast....Yeah that works. It's also STUPID.

Holy shiitake mushroom. Can you type that in English please?

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I still think this film seems to be a special case, I've never seen song performers picked out for special treatment in this way before. As such, I still see nothing in the rules that forbid their inclusion. If cast lists are allowed to include puppeteers and ADR voices/loop groups it seems odd not to allow these. Obviously knowing that they recorded these songs for the film would help a lot. 

Different credit placement does not an actor make.  For them to be listed, they have to be actors.  That much, at least from my reading of the rules, is quite clear and people singing for the soundtrack are not actors.  You can't compare this to puppeteers and ADR voices as they are specifically covered by the rules.

But Martian, I have said that before and users convinced Ken that they had the ability to determine that some non-cast member credited as an Additional Voice was really an actor. Not here they'rer not. I hope ken reads this and realizes his error and reverses it...yesterday would be a good time.

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But Martian, I have said that before and users convinced Ken that they had the ability to determine that some non-cast member credited as an Additional Voice was really an actor. Not here they'rer not. I hope ken reads this and realizes his error and reverses it...yesterday would be a good time.

But Additional Voice still refers to voice actors so your comparison doesn't fit.

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I would disagree with that, otherwise we would be unable to include any contributors to documentaries. Also puppeteers are covered by the rules, but I see nothing for ADR.

We only list ADR when they are listed under a header of 'Additionl Voices or given a role.  The former is covered under the divider rule, the later, well, if given a role, they are actors.

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If you'd used the word "performer" not "actor", then yes I see your point, but where do we draw the line? What about people who provide the singing voice for others?
At what stage do we turn round and say that performance was not for the film?

If the do not appear on screen, or provide a voice for a character, I wouldn't list them...unless, of course, they are included in what we define as the standard credits.

And, for the record, I used the word 'actor' because that is the word the rules use.

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But Martian, I have said that before and users convinced Ken that they had the ability to determine that some non-cast member credited as an Additional Voice was really an actor. Not here they'rer not. I hope ken reads this and realizes his error and reverses it...yesterday would be a good time.

But Additional Voice still refers to voice actors so your comparison doesn't fit.

In  your belief, NOT in mine. I believe that had the filmmakers intended them to be Cast aand/or viewed them as Actors then they would have included them in the Cast list, Martian. I don't know more than the filmmakers, you believe that you do.

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I can see that point (although I, personally, would throw the DJ in).

I'm still curious on the roles of the people, though, and why the filmmakers thought they were important enough to be at the top.

To me, it doesn't matter.  If they are listed as actors, they get entered.  If they aren't, they don't.  There are only two ways for Alanis Morissette to get a cast listing...appear on screen singing the song or provide the voice for someone, or something, else singing the song.  For me, it is as simple as that.