Quoting CharlieM:

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Quoting Prof. Kingsfield:

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Marnix:

Simple question

Does it say London Unit---if it does do NOT enter the data for Contribution

Does it say London or London Crew---Fine, enter the data.

I don't necessarily agree with this.  I think we need to look at what the "Unit" is doing.

Whereas a "Second Unit" typically is filming supporting shots (background, crowds, etc), a crew labeled as "(choose your location) Unit", may very well be more of a location crew.  We cannot trust how film makers label there sections.

There was an interesting thought in the previous discussion as to whether or not the "unit" has it's own director or not.  2nd Units typically have there own director, where as location crews do not (not an absolute by any stretch)

IMO

Charlie

Charlie:

I understand what you are saying, but the Rules have to have a standard. Simply on the basis of the data there is no way to determine whether what you are saying is valid. I also don't believe I have eversenn or heard much of anything regarding this in any extra feature. If that is the argument you provide then i would be forced to say right now, all such data is invalid and ken must make a decision. Personally speaking, I doubt seriously if it was Ken's intent was to allow for this kind of data at all to begin with, only he can speak to that, but based on past history...I doubt it. We are simply exploiting a hole he left in the rule (probably by accident).

Offering up what I know historically , the intent was No secondary crew of any kind, not unit, not location, principal production crew ONLY. But Ken has left a hole, unintentionally I think, the part of this that I find quite funny is where are the users who have jumped all over me when I speak of Full Cast and Crew data entry, I would think that to such users the inclusion of this data would be an utter anathema.. Personally, i don't care, one way or the other, but Ken has to solve it.

It would make sense that Ken is possibly watching the voting history of submissions like these to see how popular this information would be before deciding whether to include/exclude it officially.

@marnix64:
Don't understand this at all! Your No Vote: Why making up your own rules?

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Rules: List individual credits only, not company name credits. These company name credits should be left out.

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Crew and Cast
Take Crew Credits from the film credits only; list names exactly as they are in the credits. Exception: If the credit information is entirely capitalized, use standard capitalization rules instead. 

Use the "Credited As" field where the person's name differs from the credited name.

List individual credits only, not company name credits. Exception: If a company name heads a group of crew, use the Group divider to enter the company name.

To determine whether to enter the name directly as credited, or to use the "Credited As" field, use the Credit Lookup tool.

It is not necessary to document the source of the common name, outside the use of the CLT. If there is a dispute over whether the credit references the same person, documentation may be necessary. However, in most cases it is not required.

The inclusion of CLT results in contribution notes is strongly desired but not required. Note: In the case of uncertainty, leaving this out may cause the contribution to be declined.

Do not enter union/guild affiliations, such as A.C.E. and B.O.E.

Military rank/affiliation or other honorifics should be included in the 'Credited As' field. Example: a credit of "Cpl. John Smith, USMC" should be entered as First Name: "John", Last Name "Smith", Credited As "Cpl. John Smith, USMC"

Enter birth years only when necessary to differentate between two actors with the same name. When submitting a contribution that adds a birth year to one or more credits, list justification in the contribution notes.

Cast and crew images are not contributed with the profile.

Group names of crew members together within each role available and list in exactly the same order credited. The table below gives each of the crew roles available within DVD Profiler. For each category, include only those people credited with the roles listed in the "Role" and "Credited As" columns. If someone is not credited with one of these roles (or direct translations of these roles), do not include them in the Crew section.

NOTE: Crew entered with a role of "Other" will NOT upload as part of your contribution, and are for your local use only. Crew with a standard role selected will contribute without the Custom Role, if one is entered.

rules: Last Updated: May 14, 2010:
http://www.invelos.com/dvdpro/contributions/Rules.aspx?display=credits

Thanks for clarifying

Quoting Prof. Kingsfield:

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If that is true, Tim, then I think marnix needs to read the current Rules, since in crew that is one of the functions of dividers. So whether he is against it or not is not of any relevance, that is not his call, it is per the rules.

I know that and you know that, yeah, but apparently, the no-votes keep coming. Trust me: the rules on how to deal with crew have become so complicated for the average user that most don't even bother to wade through them anymore.

Quoting T!M:

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Quoting Prof. Kingsfield:

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If that is true, Tim, then I think marnix needs to read the current Rules, since in crew that is one of the functions of dividers. So whether he is against it or not is not of any relevance, that is not his call, it is per the rules.

I know that and you know that, yeah, but apparently, the no-votes keep coming. Trust me: the rules on how to deal with crew have become so complicated for the average user that most don't even bother to wade through them anymore.

I won't disagree nor will I point a finger, though I do understand why this is true . And it's too bad. But matnix still needs to read the Rules. I know the solution beyond that.