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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorAce_of_Sevens
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I see no reason what-so-ever to request the removal of a profile on those grounds.

What harm does it do to keep it?


The main harm is that it gets people to add non-existent title to their wishlist. I've figured that it's up to Invelos to set the standards for removal, so if they think the reason is weak, they can deny the request.
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I've also witnessed some ill-grounded attempts to remove valid profiles. IMHO we should concentrate on removing profiles that we can prove are incorrect rather than base it on some personal guesswork. Why not spend the time updating the profiles that need more work instead? Something that would actually benefit the community.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributormdnitoil
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I see no reason what-so-ever to request the removal of a profile on those grounds.

What harm does it do to keep it?


The main harm is that it gets people to add non-existent title to their wishlist. I've figured that it's up to Invelos to set the standards for removal, so if they think the reason is weak, they can deny the request.

I'm a little fuzzy on exactly what harm is being done here.  Does the addition of one of these titles to their wishlist cause their local database to explode?  It's certainly inconvenient to have some of these profiles around, but I know for a fact there are some titles in the online where I'm the only owner.  I created the profile, I do the updates which consistently get zero votes.  I also rarely bother to vote anymore, which is the case for the majority of Profiler owners.  Personally, I'm not going to take too kindly to my entries being culled out because somebody arbitrarily decided it might be bogus.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorAce_of_Sevens
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If it doesn't do any harm, lets all enter our cereal box UPCs and claim they are movies. I'm pretty sure the harm (cruft, making it difficult to find the real data) is self-evident.
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How do we go abotu this, anyway? My first request to Remove Broken Arrow (024543-436775) was denied with a reason that the cover scan didn't match the UPC. This is, of course, the exact reason I thought it was a bad profile. I re-submitted, changing the title to "remove from database" figuring the screeners hadn't read the notes. It got approved with the title changed to "Remove from database." I've previously removed a number of bad entries by the same technique.
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If it doesn't do any harm, lets all enter our cereal box UPCs and claim they are movies. I'm pretty sure the harm (cruft, making it difficult to find the real data) is self-evident.

If that starts happening, it's something Ken can worry about. Removing profiles has the danger of removing valid profiles and should be avoided in my opinion.

I've experienced having to battle with another user to convince them that a profile is valid. My UPC was on a sticker on the wrapping and I tossed it. He wanted me to switch to disc ID, but I countered that a new owner of the same disc would search by the UPC.

I think there's plenty of other constructive work we can do rather than doing work that is potentially destructive.
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I've also witnessed some ill-grounded attempts to remove valid profiles. IMHO we should concentrate on removing profiles that we can prove are incorrect rather than base it on some personal guesswork. Why not spend the time updating the profiles that need more work instead? Something that would actually benefit the community.


Agreed.  About two years or so ago, someone tried to remove a profile I added a few weeks earlier by stating that it was an obvious bootleg because it wasn't out anywhere in the world yet.  The fact was that it had been released in Hong Kong a few weeks earlier and I PM'd him the link showing that.  He PM'd back that he hadn't been aware of that and withdrew the profile.  The fact is that there was no reason to be removing the profile at all unless you knew for a fact that it didn't belong.  There are far more pressing issues for the Profile Police to work on.
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I think making it easier to find valid entries is constructive. Each user can decide what their own contribution priorities are.

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My first request to Remove Broken Arrow (024543-436775) was denied with a reason that the cover scan didn't match the UPC. This is, of course, the exact reason I thought it was a bad profile. I re-submitted, changing the title to "remove from database" figuring the screeners hadn't read the notes. It got approved with the title changed to "Remove from database." I've previously removed a number of bad entries by the same technique.


But that is a valid profile. A quick google of the barcode number brings up a whole list of places listing that DVD.
I think it's a lot safer to be much more strict in the removal of profiles. I'd rather have a few false ones in the database than have genuine ones removed.
If you can't absolutely guarantee that it's a false profile, my advice would be to leave it alone.
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I think there are many wrong entries which are easy to find and that we can delete to have some kind of "clean" database:
- wrong locality entries
- double entries with/without leading zero
- double entries over disc id
- fake UPC entries (e.g. 222222222222, 444444444444, ... or UPC from wrong source)
...

But just removing entries which don't get updates isn't very useful and needs imho a good documentation to get approved.
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I think making it easier to find valid entries is constructive. Each user can decide what their own contribution priorities are.

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It's not easier when valid profiles are removed. That's the risk and it appears we are seeing examples of that.
...James

"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan
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A google search for "024543-436775" gives no results. "024543-436799," which seems to be the real UPC, does pull up Broken Arrow. I think most of these get in the DB because pre-release info goes out wrong or somebody enters a UPC from the wrong locality.
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A google search for "024543-436775" gives no results. "024543-436799," which seems to be the real UPC, does pull up Broken Arrow. I think most of these get in the DB because pre-release info goes out wrong or somebody enters a UPC from the wrong locality.


Always try the google search without hyphon. In this case it helps.
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A google search for "024543-436775" gives no results. "024543-436799," which seems to be the real UPC, does pull up Broken Arrow. I think most of these get in the DB because pre-release info goes out wrong or somebody enters a UPC from the wrong locality.


Always try the google search without hyphon. In this case it helps.


Indeed.
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I have a different opinion than most people here.  

I don't want bad data in the database. Mistakes happen and if the data was incorrectly entered, then I would prefer the profile be removed.

Often, the profile was carried over from the old site. If there are contribution notes, I would send the contributor a pm to ask them about the profile.

If the contribution is a valid one, I would expect that the owners of the DVD would chime in a vote against its removal.

If there are no contribution notes, and no voters expressing their opinion, it is likely that the data entry is incorrect.

The most important thing to me is that the contributor provide careful documentation outlining the rationale for the removal.
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A google search for "024543-436775" gives no results. "024543-436799," which seems to be the real UPC, does pull up Broken Arrow. I think most of these get in the DB because pre-release info goes out wrong or somebody enters a UPC from the wrong locality.


Always try the google search without hyphon. In this case it helps.


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