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  | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 8,733 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting CharlieM: Quote:
"It was originally widescreen then it was cropped". That's actually good enough for me. Listing it as "Pan & Scan" tells me that the 1.33:1 aspect ratio is NOT the intended, original aspect ratio the film was meant to be seen in. If I list it as "Full Frame", then I've lost that distinction, which is pretty important to me. |
| | Registered: December 10, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 3,004 |
| | Posted: | | | | I would like if we did it like T!M says, but unless I'm mistaken, Ken has said open-matte should be entered as full-frame. |
| | Registered: May 20, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 2,934 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Quoting CharlieM:
Quote:
"It was originally widescreen then it was cropped".
That's actually good enough for me. Listing it as "Pan & Scan" tells me that the 1.33:1 aspect ratio is NOT the intended, original aspect ratio the film was meant to be seen in. If I list it as "Full Frame", then I've lost that distinction, which is pretty important to me. But he offered no proof that it was shot in WS One is Scooby-Doo 2 Film negative format (mm/video inches) 35 mm Cinematographic process Spherical Printed film format 35 mm Aspect ratio 1.33 : 1 (DVD version) 1.33 : 1 (VHS release) 1.85 : 1 He only states it was shot in WS, with no other Documentation. Is this film P&S Another is Shark Tale Laboratory Technicolor Cinematographic process Digital Printed film format 35 mm Aspect ratio 1.85 : 1 How about this one Again, he only states "Original in widescreen and cropped" |
| | Registered: June 21, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,621 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting KinoNiki: Quote:
Se7ven from Alliance is open matte though. But of course these would still all be entered as widescreen, we only use P&S and fullscreen for 4:3 transfers. Yeah, we almost need a third opition for super 35 films that were theatrically 2.35 but on home video can be anything from full open matte to a pan and scan mess, often both from scene to scene. I'm thinking of my Boondock Saints VHS from way back, that was a 2.35 film but the 4X3 VHS gave you all the picture and a ton you shouldn't have on top and bottom, just complete open matte. The old Terminator 2 Ultimate Edition had a cool and very educational feature about transfering for 4X3 from super 35. That one is all over the place on the demo. I'll coin the next term if it ever goes into effect, "modified 35". |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Quoting CharlieM:
Quote:
"It was originally widescreen then it was cropped".
That's actually good enough for me. Listing it as "Pan & Scan" tells me that the 1.33:1 aspect ratio is NOT the intended, original aspect ratio the film was meant to be seen in. If I list it as "Full Frame", then I've lost that distinction, which is pretty important to me. Except that 'Pan & Scan' actually means something. Not all widescreen features are converted to 1.33:1 using Pan & Scan. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting CharlieM: Quote:
Another is Shark Tale
Laboratory
Technicolor
Cinematographic process
Digital
Printed film format
35 mm
Aspect ratio
1.85 : 1
How about this one
Again, he only states "Original in widescreen and cropped" As I said earlier, you have to be careful with digital media as some studios will convert the images to 1.33:1 in the computer. While they are fullframe, they are not P&S. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,733 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Quoting T!M:
Quote:
Quoting CharlieM:
Quote:
"It was originally widescreen then it was cropped".
That's actually good enough for me. Listing it as "Pan & Scan" tells me that the 1.33:1 aspect ratio is NOT the intended, original aspect ratio the film was meant to be seen in. If I list it as "Full Frame", then I've lost that distinction, which is pretty important to me.
Except that 'Pan & Scan' actually means something. Not all widescreen features are converted to 1.33:1 using Pan & Scan. I understand that. I just don't care. My personal use for the field (in my local database) is to let me know whether the disc has the film in it's original, intended aspect ratio, or not. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
I understand that. I just don't care. My personal use for the field (in my local database) is to let me know whether the disc has the film in it's original, intended aspect ratio, or not. I wasn't speaking about local use, I was speaking from a contribution standpoint. What you do in your local, of course, is up to you. For the online, however, it should matter...theoretically speaking. You will never catch me knowinly buying a full frame/P&S version for a film so it really isn't an issue for me. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | And some films are presented in a mixture between cropping (panning) and open matte. For example most scenes in the 4:3 version of "Total Recall" are shown open matte. But since the special effect scenes have only been rendered in 1.85, they are shown cropped. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Except that 'Pan & Scan' actually means something. Not all widescreen features are converted to 1.33:1 using Pan & Scan. Yes, for profiler purposes pan & scan means either pan & scan or cropping, but not open matte or re-rendering. |
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