Welcome to the Invelos forums. Please read the forum rules before posting.

Read access to our public forums is open to everyone. To post messages, a free registration is required.

If you have an Invelos account, sign in to post.

    Invelos Forums->DVD Profiler: Contribution Discussion Page: 1 2 3  Previous   Next
Interesting voting results for Sympathy for Lady Vengeance Cast/Crew Profile submission
Author Message
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantAstrakan
Registered: Feb 12, 2000
Registered: March 28, 2007
Reputation: High Rating
Canada Posts: 1,299
Posted:
PM this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting Addicted2DVD:
Quote:
I do the same. Not everyone looks back to see if a yes vote has a notation of a problem.

No. But when no votes come along the contributor may choose to just withdraw the whole thing and keep it local only, choosing not to deal with whatever requests are being made. I know I've done this in the past, and I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to learn others have as well.

And that's the reason I vote yes.
Tags, tags, bo bags, banana fana fo fags, mi my mo mags, TAGS!
Dolly's not alone. You can also clone profiles.
You've got questions? You've got answers? Take the DVD Profiler Wiki for a spin.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorAddicted2DVD
Registered: March 13, 2007
Reputation: Highest Rating
United States Posts: 17,334
Posted:
PM this userEmail this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
What can I say... the way I see it is if there is something wrong or against the rules it deserves a no vote with a (polite) note about what is wrong. From there it is up to them what they want to do.  But I won't vote anything other then no when I see something wrong or against the rules. It is nothing personal against the person. To me it is no more then a way to be sure that it is seen that there is something wrong with the contribution.
Pete
DVD Profiler Unlimited Registrantjmbox
Registered: April 14, 2007
United Kingdom Posts: 415
Posted:
PM this userVisit this user's homepageView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting xradman:
Quote:

So far, there is 17 Votes for and 3 Votes against.  3 No votes were due to inclusion of divider in the main cast listing.  The movie begins with names of 4 main cast members in romanized alphabet and Korean without role names.  The end credits are only in Korean and list all cast members in the order of appearance with roles, except 8 cast members who are listed at the end under "Woojeong Choolyeon" which means Special Appearance or Cameo Appearance.  I listed the cast credit starting out with 4 main cast without role names, then added a empty divider, followed by complete cast listing with role names, followed by another divider titled "Special Appearance", followed by additional 8 cast members with role names.

Since this is a Korean release, and the credits are in Korean, you should keep everything as it is on-screen and not translate roles or dividers. Your divider should be "Woojeong Choolyeon", not "Special Appearance"
DVD Profiler Unlimited Registrantxradman
Registered: June 17, 2002
Registered: March 14, 2007
United States Posts: 1,328
Posted:
PM this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting jmbox:
Quote:
Quoting xradman:
Quote:

So far, there is 17 Votes for and 3 Votes against.  3 No votes were due to inclusion of divider in the main cast listing.  The movie begins with names of 4 main cast members in romanized alphabet and Korean without role names.  The end credits are only in Korean and list all cast members in the order of appearance with roles, except 8 cast members who are listed at the end under "Woojeong Choolyeon" which means Special Appearance or Cameo Appearance.  I listed the cast credit starting out with 4 main cast without role names, then added a empty divider, followed by complete cast listing with role names, followed by another divider titled "Special Appearance", followed by additional 8 cast members with role names.

Since this is a Korean release, and the credits are in Korean, you should keep everything as it is on-screen and not translate roles or dividers. Your divider should be "Woojeong Choolyeon", not "Special Appearance"

Uh... no.  I don't know the reasoning behind that rule, but it does not make any sense.  Does anyone really want to see roles listed as Won-mo eomma instead of Won-mo's Mom?  If that's what's required, don't expect to see such credits or contributions from me in the future.
My Home Theater
 Last edited: by xradman
DVD Profiler Unlimited Registrantjmbox
Registered: April 14, 2007
United Kingdom Posts: 415
Posted:
PM this userVisit this user's homepageView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting xradman:
Quote:
Uh... no.  I don't know the reasoning behind that rule, but it does not make any sense.  Does anyone really want to see roles listed as Won-mo eomma instead of Won-mo's Mom?  If that's what's required, don't expect to see such credits or contributions from me in the future.

We don't all speak English and I don't know how many non-English speaking Koreans use Profiler, but it is a general rule.

Quote:
Crew and Cast
Take Crew Credits from the film credits only; list names exactly as they are in the credits.

For any film with standard credits, take the actor information from the end credits only, with names and roles listed exactly as they are in the credits and in exactly the same order credited.

Do not translate foreign language role names to the language of the locality unless a translation is provided in the film credits.

Personally, if the Korean community wanted English translations, I'm fine with that; I was just pointing out what the rules say. 
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantCalebAndCo
Ralphie shot first.
Registered: October 6, 2008
United States Posts: 1,932
Posted:
PM this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
.
 Last edited: by CalebAndCo
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantAlien Redrum
Proudly blocked by liars.
Registered: August 23, 2008
Reputation: High Rating
United States Posts: 1,656
Posted:
PM this userVisit this user's homepageView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting Astrakan:
Quote:
Quoting Addicted2DVD:
Quote:
I do the same. Not everyone looks back to see if a yes vote has a notation of a problem.

No. But when no votes come along the contributor may choose to just withdraw the whole thing and keep it local only, choosing not to deal with whatever requests are being made. I know I've done this in the past, and I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to learn others have as well.

And that's the reason I vote yes.


Again, I agree heartily.

I, too, have withdrawn profiles where I've done numerous updates for, but someone doesn't like the extra space between a word or something else rather insignificant in the bigger picture.

I can understand where they are coming from, sure, but I would rather vote yes on the submission and fix the small thing myself than vote no and risk the contribution being pulled.
Reviewer, HorrorTalk.com

"I also refuse to document CLT results and I pay my bills to avoid going to court." - Sam, keeping it real, yo.
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorTheMadMartian
Alien with an attitude
Registered: March 13, 2007
Reputation: Highest Rating
United States Posts: 13,201
Posted:
PM this userEmail this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting Addicted2DVD:
Quote:
What can I say... the way I see it is if there is something wrong or against the rules it deserves a no vote with a (polite) note about what is wrong. From there it is up to them what they want to do.  But I won't vote anything other then no when I see something wrong or against the rules. It is nothing personal against the person. To me it is no more then a way to be sure that it is seen that there is something wrong with the contribution.

Agreed.
No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantAgrare
Registered: May 22, 2007
Reputation: High Rating
United States Posts: 1,033
Posted:
PM this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting Alien Redrum:
Quote:
Quoting Astrakan:
Quote:
Quoting Addicted2DVD:
Quote:
I do the same. Not everyone looks back to see if a yes vote has a notation of a problem.

No. But when no votes come along the contributor may choose to just withdraw the whole thing and keep it local only, choosing not to deal with whatever requests are being made. I know I've done this in the past, and I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to learn others have as well.

And that's the reason I vote yes.


Again, I agree heartily.

I, too, have withdrawn profiles where I've done numerous updates for, but someone doesn't like the extra space between a word or something else rather insignificant in the bigger picture.

I can understand where they are coming from, sure, but I would rather vote yes on the submission and fix the small thing myself than vote no and risk the contribution being pulled.


but why even bother withdrawing it in this case. Just because someone points out a mistake or even they just don't like the way you handled something your gonna just pull the whole contribution? Why not let it sit and let the evaluators decide. Just because someone votes no doesn't mean you have to fix it or that they are even right. And even if they are right Invelos can accept it anyway because as you say it is "rather insignificant in the bigger picture".

The no vote just says something is wrong and should not be taken personally (even if it is not worded as friendly as it could have been) and many people wouldn't notice the correction if it was given with a yes vote if they even check the votes at all after submission. Not making the change is one thing but to withdraw the contribution over a few legit no votes seems like it's being taken personally. Plus you go so far as to penalize everyone that did vote yes and agree with it (mind you the no voter would probably accept it as well despite pointing out a correction but just wanted to give you the opportunity to adjust it) by withdrawing the whole thing

-Agrare

*all references to 'you' are in the generic sense
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantAlien Redrum
Proudly blocked by liars.
Registered: August 23, 2008
Reputation: High Rating
United States Posts: 1,656
Posted:
PM this userVisit this user's homepageView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Speaking for myself, it's annoying to me to see someone go through the time and effort with a major profile update only to see a no vote that says "Paragraph break needed." I can fix that. It just seems not very thankful, and I can completely see why someone would pull the contribution. I would do it myself.

I think part of it is so few people actually thank contributors when they vote "yes" (which I freely admit I've been guilty of, but have been making a conscious effort to do better at), but they are so quick to vote no on the slightest error.

I realize it's not personal, but I also can see the annoyance it would cause the submitter.

I see both sides of this, but I do admittedly side with the idea of "just do it yourself,then."

(Note, this isn't on all of contributions that get no votes, I'm talking about situations like the one this thread is started on. A person does, say, a complete cast update and there's a divider there that some don't care for. I just look at the bigger picture -- is it easier for me to remove a divider and resubmit it, or is it easier for me to put the entire cast in.)

As per most of the time, the you is general and this is my own opinion.
Reviewer, HorrorTalk.com

"I also refuse to document CLT results and I pay my bills to avoid going to court." - Sam, keeping it real, yo.
 Last edited: by Alien Redrum
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorAddicted2DVD
Registered: March 13, 2007
Reputation: Highest Rating
United States Posts: 17,334
Posted:
PM this userEmail this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
It is not just the divider Alien... it seems (I do not own this title so can only go by this thread) he is adding the cast from the beginning credits that are also in the end credits. See quote below where it is mentioned...

Quoting paulb_99:
Quote:
If i understand you correctly you used 4 cast members from the opening credits and used them again, because they are credited there as well, in the end credits. You used a divider to show this

We never do this as far as i know, unless they are not mentioned in the end credits.

I'vote no too, sorry.

Paul


And that is against the rules as we have a rule that states..

Quote:
For the purposes of this section we define "standard" film credits as those where all credited actors involved are listed at the end of the film - defined here as the "end credits". The section details both the actor’s Name and the Role that they played in the film. The credits may be listed "in order of appearance", "alphabetical order" or in an order of importance decided by the filmmakers. Some actors may be credited a second time in either credits at either the opening or close of the film.

For any film with standard credits, take the actor information from the end credits only, with names and roles listed exactly as they are in the credits and in exactly the same order credited.  Exception: If the credit information is entirely capitalized, use standard capitalization rules instead.

Use the "Credited As" field where the actor's name differs from the credited name.

If a film does not have standard credits, use the following rules:

    * If a film has actors listed in the opening credits, which are not listed in the end credits, add these to the list in DVD Profiler before those taken from the end credits.
    * If a film has no end credits, but does have actors credited elsewhere, enter the actors from those credits.
    * If there are no credits, the film's official site may be used as a source, as long as the inclusion does not violate the site's published policy (if any).
    * If an actor is credited by name but does not have an associated role, you may use the film itself, or another source to identify the role. However, mass copy from a third party commercial database which violates their stated usage license is not allowed. In each case, list Actor’s names and roles (when given) exactly as they are in the credits and in exactly the same order credited


Notice the two rules I put in bold It tells us for standard credits to take  from the end credits only. Then the second part I put in  bold is the exception to that if they are in the open... but not the end credits then to put them first. Since it has been said he put them twice it is still wrong per Rules

So between the unneeded divider and the fact that he listed some of the cast twice it would definitely get a no vote from me if I had the title.
Pete
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantAlien Redrum
Proudly blocked by liars.
Registered: August 23, 2008
Reputation: High Rating
United States Posts: 1,656
Posted:
PM this userVisit this user's homepageView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Ah, how the hell did I miss that.

In all honesty, though, I'd still go neutral on that with a PM.

I find it very hard to vote no when there's a significant amount of work put into a profile.
Reviewer, HorrorTalk.com

"I also refuse to document CLT results and I pay my bills to avoid going to court." - Sam, keeping it real, yo.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorAddicted2DVD
Registered: March 13, 2007
Reputation: Highest Rating
United States Posts: 17,334
Posted:
PM this userEmail this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
well... I guess that is where we differ... because I find it extremely easy. 

All serious though. The no vote is not only for the contributor... it is also for the screener so they can see that there is indeed a problem. A yes vote with note is just too easy to overlook. but a no vote with that red background. That is sure to catch their eye so they know there is something they need to look at, From there they can decide whether it is enough to decline the contribution or to let it go through as is.
Pete
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorTheMadMartian
Alien with an attitude
Registered: March 13, 2007
Reputation: Highest Rating
United States Posts: 13,201
Posted:
PM this userEmail this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Once again, I agree with my furry friend.  Speaking for my self, no matter how much work I have put in, if I make a mistake, I expect a 'no' vote.  If I get one, and agree with it, I am always happy to withdraw and recontribute.
No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantAlien Redrum
Proudly blocked by liars.
Registered: August 23, 2008
Reputation: High Rating
United States Posts: 1,656
Posted:
PM this userVisit this user's homepageView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
You two are soooooooooooooooo getting no votes from me at the first opportunity.     


(And, of course, I am kidding. )
Reviewer, HorrorTalk.com

"I also refuse to document CLT results and I pay my bills to avoid going to court." - Sam, keeping it real, yo.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorAddicted2DVD
Registered: March 13, 2007
Reputation: Highest Rating
United States Posts: 17,334
Posted:
PM this userEmail this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Actually... if you see a problem with a contribution of mine I hope you do give me a no vote. I seldomly look at the votes when they are all yes votes.
Pete
    Invelos Forums->DVD Profiler: Contribution Discussion Page: 1 2 3  Previous   Next