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Well, they should still consider it.

Agreed

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Surely there are a lot of negative aspects about iMDB as well. But why would DVDP be without faults?

It's not. And I am not the last to admit that. The ultimate source for my local database is "Me" (with a little help from several sub-sources  )

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I am really not talking about using credit lists from iMDB, but rather the profiles for cast and crew.

I didn't say that, it's just that I don't see any advantage in using a single name for every appearance of an actor, no matter what name he/she actually used. As I said, this might work well for the Top1000, but will utterly fail for John Doe.

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I think those are a lot more controlled and can be relied upon.

How would you know??

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It is like that in all the rest of society as well. One person, one identity. Not two, not three, etc.

Tell that to Ida Flammenbaum

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If it was up to me, I would let iMDB choose which name is the correct one.

Feel free to do so, but please only in your local database.

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Or why not google the names?

Because Google might help you with Ida Flammenbaum, but surely will not with less known staff.

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It's one thing how a person is credited and it's a completely different thing what that person's real name is.

Agreed! That's why you don't find Nicholas Kim Coppola or Marion Robert Morrison in the database.

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If it was up to me, I would let iMDB choose which name is the correct one.

That wouldn't work, as I learned recently that IMDB can change the names as well.

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Or why not google the names?

Again, not an ideal solution, as which results of the google search would you use? Most times when I search on a name, the top few results are IMDB-mined data.

@Addicted2DVD:
I see it differently. All I see is a lot of discussion... With CLT you can see the variants of how a person's name is spelled in the DB - if you find the same one person, but you need still to decide which name to use. IMO just because a name is in some majority, it's not necessarily the correct name.
But it's like with democracy. I don't feel that the majority necessarily is of the correct opinion.

Ken this and Ken that. I don't know the guy. He created DVDP but we are the users.

And there will never be just one name for one person. As then you need to check the names all the time and at no time there will be just one entry for each person, as long as the DB in its current state don't have the names right in the first place.

Rebecca Romijn is known as Rebecca Romijn. I KNEW her as "... Stamos", but that was then and even if I don't read gossip about her I have still noticed that she changed her name - from seeing the credits in the X-Men movies.

Which made me feel that, "OK, that is her real name now!"

I can see how I am in some way contradicting myself now, because of all the other movies she has made earlier, under another name. But then we "simply" need to update all those entries in the DB... To her current name. Which isn't so current, as she got divorced five years ago.

@samuelrichardscott:
Why not right away? It's like waiting for something obvious. Unless she stops acting.

@TheMadMartian:
Smart a**... Anyway, I didn't mean I "bought" DVDP, but I bought a license to use it as MY database. And I mean the DB that is also on MY hard drive(s). And it's made up by us contributing users. Without us, there would be no Invelos.

However. I bought DVDP to sort my movies and have a very good, intact DB. And that doesn't include having multiple entries for the same persons or companies.

So since I bought the right to use the program, I can use it any way I see fit. And for me that is to make the database immaculate.

Maybe some people don't care. But I think there could only be one standard for one DB. Regardless of how many users there are with different opinions.


I got an idea. Why not introduce the ability to link several instances of one person together?
So if you search for "Romijn" or "Stamos", you would in both cases get the same actress; Rebecca Romijn".

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Also, if I feel that one person only should have one entry in my DB (I consider it mine, because I bought DVDP for MY purposes), I would and could change the DB as I saw fit. I would remove all duplicate names so that one person has one entry and not several.

I have to correct you on this point.  You did not buy Profiler.  You purchased a license to use the product and access the online database.  The software and database belong to invelos.

But Mika is of course free to change his/her local database in such a way. Many people do just that, and only use the online database as a starting point.

sure... local only is always something he could do... but going by him posting in the contribution Forum I don't think that is what he is after.

True, but many, especially new users but sometimes even old users, seem to forget they "own" their local data. They can do whatever they wish with it and also protect it from changing. I think it's worth pointing out now and again. If you think you've come up with a better or more "correct" system, you're free to use it. Or even to copy IMDb data, if that's what you prefer. Although personally I don't see the point of creating another IMDb clone. The original is after all much easier to use. 

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But Mika is of course free to change his/her local database in such a way. Many people do just that, and only use the online database as a starting point.

Indeed.  I was focused on the main db.  Sorry for any confusion.

@TheMadMartian:
I didn't mean that I should rebel the DB, but that I want it to be immaculate, and most of all: rational and logical.

Also, everyone would benefit if the ability to link persons and companies were there.

If this would mean in practice that the whole main DB would have to be rebuilt, then it should be.

To link persons together, we can all verify that a person that is credited in several different ways is the same. Most of the times, that shouldn't be too difficult.

Also, a more intelligent search engine would need to be constructed and implemented into DVDP.

I would like to point to my post.


It sums up what I think and what I wish to see.

MikaLove, like you I prefer IMDB, mainly for its linking ability.

There has been tons of discussion about the naming convention on the boards and nothing ever really comes from them.

While there's little disagreement that the online DB is flawed, there is much disagreement about using IMDB or not.

That said, I recommend you download DJDoena's awesome Cast/Crew Edit tool. It's probably the best tool out there for me. You basically plug in the movie title, what roles you want to download from IMDB and it takes it from there. Could be what you are looking for until there is a better solution.