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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | No I take it based on what I see for each film in cases such as this. This is something that i don't think a universal standard can be applied successfully. Each film stand on its own merits. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: September 30, 2008 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,805 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting reybr: Quote:
This is kinda strange. There was a discussion about this just a few months ago and if I recall correctly, the result of the poll was the exact opposite of this. (Can't find the thread though) That's why I started the thread. I remember at least one or two occasions where this has been brought up, and as far as I remember, the results seemed to be the opposite of what they are here (which I'm pleasantly surprised with, by the way!). And going just on the profiles in the system for Any Given Sunday, they're almost evenly split with the whole left column and then the whole right column, and the two columns intermingling and going back and forth. I see the arguements for both sides and I have nothing against either way of doing it, to me though, I agree with the thought that these kinds of credits may need to be done on a case by case basis (and I too don't like conditionals, but sometimes it seems like they may pop up). And in this case, to me, it appears really simple, that the entire left column should be listed first, and then the entire right column (even if that means you have to rewind the disc a bit to list them this way). It appears through this poll that quite a few others agree with me, so I feel a bit safer in submitting the changes now!  I completely expected the exact opposite results. Thanks to everyone for their thoughts and input! | | | | The night is calling. And it whispers to me soflty come and play. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Now even more to the point, Merrik. I absolutely know that the cast data for Any Given Sunday has been entered. So why is this discussion necessary, are you trying to figure out whether to impse your idea over something else. I haven't even looked, because it's not relevant. It's not specifically covered by the Rules, Polls do not make Rules, at any rate, so I assume the data is one format or the other and is correct. So there is no need to change it. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: August 23, 2008 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 1,656 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
Now even more to the point, Merrik. I absolutely know that the cast data for Any Given Sunday has been entered. So why is this discussion necessary, are you trying to figure out whether to impse your idea over something else. I haven't even looked, because it's not relevant. It's not specifically covered by the Rules, Polls do not make Rules, at any rate, so I assume the data is one format or the other and is correct. So there is no need to change it. It might do you some good to read Merrik's post, in particular this part: Quoting Merrik: Quote:
Either way, at this point, with the cast looking so incredibly messed up, I’m going to go left and then right in my local, but didn’t want to submit it if it’s going to cause a ruckus. Not everything is a conspiracy, Skip. | | | Reviewer, HorrorTalk.com
"I also refuse to document CLT results and I pay my bills to avoid going to court." - Sam, keeping it real, yo. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Left to Right is the way I have it locally, I don't even care what the Online is in terms of format, Alien. I have only one question when I review data like this, regardless of format, since that is not covered under the Rules, is the data correct. If it is hen i don't worry about it. Nor is it worth bringing it up for discussion. I simply look at it as I did in the theater and treat each such dataset on its own merits. Like I said earlier, I don't think this is something that we could successfully apply in any kind of universal form. If I did I would have done so long ago, at least not without applying all sorts of ifs, thens and maybes, which are never productive and do nothing in the vein of ease of entry,. You apparently missed the entire point. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: May 26, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,878 |
| | Posted: | | | | Normally I would profile:
1 - 2
3 - 4
5 - 6
However, I would agree that in this case the group roles are meant to be read as a single entry, so in this case I would profile:
1 4
2 5
3 6
Since Ken said to use group dividers in any case where a group of actors is credited together, and since you would be unable to use the group dividers reading the credits in the first style, I would enter the left column first and then the right column.
This is, of course, just my opinion. | | | If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.
-- Thorin Oakenshield |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Cass: I understand the logic. Let me know how it works for you in a Theater trying to read those columns FIRST.  | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: May 26, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,878 |
| | Posted: | | | | I wouldn't know. I haven't been to the theatre this year.
DVD has spoiled me for watching movies in quiet comfort. | | | If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.
-- Thorin Oakenshield |
| | Registered: August 23, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,656 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
Left to Right is the way I have it locally, I don't even care what the Online is in terms of format, Alien. I have only one question when I review data like this, regardless of format, since that is not covered under the Rules, is the data correct. If it is hen i don't worry about it. Nor is it worth bringing it up for discussion. I simply look at it as I did in the theater and treat each such dataset on its own merits. Like I said earlier, I don't think this is something that we could successfully apply in any kind of universal form. If I did I would have done so long ago, at least not without applying all sorts of ifs, thens and maybes, which are never productive and do nothing in the vein of ease of entry,. You apparently missed the entire point. And again I suggest you actually read Merrik's original post. His reasons for going through the cast are crystal clear. All you need is a little reading comprehension and you're all set. Quote:
I'm currently editing the Canadian blu-ray profile for Any Given Sunday. Do you have the Canadian release? Maybe something struck Merrik as off? I've seen enough of Merrik's contributions over the years to know that he's a pretty trustworthy person. God forbid someone ask a question about something that's not clear. The fact that you have this "ZOMG WHY ARE YOU ASKING THIS IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE ASKED YOU HAVE SECONDARY MOTIVES!!!1!!1!1!" really makes no sense because for one, Merrik said he would keep it local and, secondly, one would think that you, of all people, would encourage questions about submitting correct data to the database. He asked a question. BFD. He even said (again) he would keep it local. I cannot possibly comprehend why you think there is something more here that's obviously not, well other than to start a fight that is. Here's a question for you: Since he mentioned in the first post that he would keep it local if it was a problem, what, exactly, do you think the agenda is? | | | Reviewer, HorrorTalk.com
"I also refuse to document CLT results and I pay my bills to avoid going to court." - Sam, keeping it real, yo. |
| | Registered: September 30, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,805 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Alien Redrum: Quote:
Quoting Prof. Kingsfield:
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Now even more to the point, Merrik. I absolutely know that the cast data for Any Given Sunday has been entered. So why is this discussion necessary, are you trying to figure out whether to impse your idea over something else. I haven't even looked, because it's not relevant. It's not specifically covered by the Rules, Polls do not make Rules, at any rate, so I assume the data is one format or the other and is correct. So there is no need to change it.
It might do you some good to read Merrik's post, in particular this part:
Quoting Merrik:
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Either way, at this point, with the cast looking so incredibly messed up, I’m going to go left and then right in my local, but didn’t want to submit it if it’s going to cause a ruckus.
Not everything is a conspiracy, Skip. Quoting Alien Redrum: Quote:
Quoting Prof. Kingsfield:
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Left to Right is the way I have it locally, I don't even care what the Online is in terms of format, Alien. I have only one question when I review data like this, regardless of format, since that is not covered under the Rules, is the data correct. If it is hen i don't worry about it. Nor is it worth bringing it up for discussion. I simply look at it as I did in the theater and treat each such dataset on its own merits. Like I said earlier, I don't think this is something that we could successfully apply in any kind of universal form. If I did I would have done so long ago, at least not without applying all sorts of ifs, thens and maybes, which are never productive and do nothing in the vein of ease of entry,. You apparently missed the entire point.
And again I suggest you actually read Merrik's original post. His reasons for going through the cast are crystal clear. All you need is a little reading comprehension and you're all set.
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I'm currently editing the Canadian blu-ray profile for Any Given Sunday.
Do you have the Canadian release? Maybe something struck Merrik as off? I've seen enough of Merrik's contributions over the years to know that he's a pretty trustworthy person. God forbid someone ask a question about something that's not clear.
The fact that you have this "ZOMG WHY ARE YOU ASKING THIS IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE ASKED YOU HAVE SECONDARY MOTIVES!!!1!!1!1!" really makes no sense because for one, Merrik said he would keep it local and, secondly, one would think that you, of all people, would encourage questions about submitting correct data to the database.
He asked a question. BFD. He even said (again) he would keep it local. I cannot possibly comprehend why you think there is something more here that's obviously not, well other than to start a fight that is.
Here's a question for you: Since he mentioned in the first post that he would keep it local if it was a problem, what, exactly, do you think the agenda is?  | | | | The night is calling. And it whispers to me soflty come and play. |
| | Registered: September 30, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,805 |
| | Posted: | | | | I'll answer the questions. I’ve got nothing to hide, despite what the slightly accusatory tone of the questions would imply. You asked a lot of questions Skip, so hope you’re ready for a lot of answers... Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
Now even more to the point, Merrik. I absolutely know that the cast data for Any Given Sunday has been entered. So then you also know that of the 19 total profiles in the system for this film, only a whopping three of them (all from region 1/A/North America if I’m not mistaken) have the credits listed with the left and right columns intermingled? And that one of those profiles is the one I own? You would also know that in all of these casts, at least five of them have parsing issues for the stage name of LL Cool J? Or parsing issues for producer Lauren Shuler Donner? Or that a good chunk of them (almost all) are missing the extra crew credits available to us since version 3.6? Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
So why is this discussion necessary Other than the reason listed above, the discussion is necessary because I had a question about it. That’s what this forum is for. For people to bring questions to, to discuss issues they may be having, to get clarification on such issues. I also feel it’s necessary in case anyone ever has this problem again. There are still two other profiles that someone may decide to update one day, and instead of having someone raise the question again, it’s already here and answered. It’s also necessary, because as I’ve already stated, I remember previous discussions similar to this one, where the outcome was actually the exact opposite, and because I remember those discussions, I wanted clarification. Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
are you trying to figure out whether to impse your idea over something else. To impose my idea over someone else? I gave an opinion Skip. An opinion that’s apparently shared by many others here. An opinion that was shared enough to have 16 profiles entered in a way that matches my idea. I’m not trying to impose anything. I’m trying to get a simple answer. Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
I haven't even looked, because it's not relevant. It's not specifically covered by the Rules, Well, it’s a good thing you took the time to look before assuming all sorts of lovely stuff about me and my motives. And also, because it’s not specifically covered by the rules, I believe that makes it very relevant. Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
I assume the data is one format or the other and is correct. So there is no need to change it. Sure, there’s no need to change it. Unless one is worried about consistency and accuracy in the database. Other than that, I can’t think of a single reason to change it. Did you also know that my profile (just as an example) has the incorrect spelling of Christy Trummond? In my profile the name is spelled Christy Tummond, incorrect according to the film's closing credits? So you assuming the data is correct?? What is it you are always telling people about assumptions in these forums Skip? You assuming the data is correct? Well, you're assuming INCORRECTLY. Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
I have only one question when I review data like this... is the data correct. Precisely the reason I was asking the question in the first place Skip. Is this data correct? Nothing more, nothing less. Since this case is NOT covered by the rules (making it an entirely relevant conversation), there is no absolute right or wrong according to invelos, hence the reason I brought the discussion here. Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
Nor is it worth bringing it up for discussion. Anything is worth bringing up for discussion, no matter how silly it may seem to some. As for my very very original reasons behind the update to the data? Other than the messed up cast list... the lack of extra crew credits in the profile, the lack of a disc id for the profile, the use of single quotes in the cast (signaling a probable case of IMDB cloning), the absolute lack of contribution notes as to where the cast and crew came from (making it impossible to tell if they were correct in the first place), the lack of group dividers in credits, the incorrect parsing of certain names in the cast and crew. I hope that all of these reasons are sufficient enough to satisfy your curiosity Skip... Oh, and by the by... since the profile I own is one of only three of nineteen profiles to list the cast this way, I actually AM going to contribute the data to the online. Not only will that data be submitted, but the extra crew will be submitted, the removal of IMDB cloned data will be submitted, the correction of studios will be submitted, missing features will be submitted and a missing disc ID will be submitted. And I think that pretty much shuts this thread down. Too bad it had to veer off course into the conspiracy territory. It was actually chugging along quite nicely. Wonder where it went off track... | | | | The night is calling. And it whispers to me soflty come and play. | | | | Last edited: by Merrik |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Accuracy and consistency is also in the eye of the beholder. As I have explained and you seem to agree with left to right is the way the data apperas on screen, and is consistent with the appearance in the theaters, since we don't have the luxury of back up and freeze frame. OTOH Columns allows for entry of Groups. it's all in the viewpoint, and it is not covered under the Rules, and as I explained probably can't be, therefore it strictly comes down to a personal call. In short, I do it as I see it, left to right and if i look at the Online and see someone has done it by columns, so what. I then have one question, is the data accurate, I don't see something like Cameran Diez or Al Paceno, that would be the ONLY way I would Contribute my format, it's just not that big a deal. That's the point, my friend. The same holds for the other copies, if one is done left to right and one is done by columns...so what. Is the data correct, the CLT will function regardless of the format used, so I don't see an issue, quite frankly. All I am concerened about is is the data correct and as for the other copies, in the world, since I KNOW without a doubt that Cast and Crew data can be different elsewhere and across different versions of the same film, then I do not put myself in a position to even be concerned about them. Because if i make a "correction" to France or germany and they do have a different Cast and crew list then I am introducing an error based on bad data relative to THAT particular copy.
BTW I am not the one that took it into conspiracy, that was Alien because he diodn't undersdtand the point | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: September 30, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,805 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
In short, I do it as I see it, left to right and if i look at the Online and see someone has done it by columns, so what. If you feel "so what" then what's your problem with me updating the profile? So what how I list it? The original contributor left no notes as to where the cast came from, how he got it, if it was cloned and if it's all verified (which it obviously wasn't as there's errors through-out)... I have and will do all of these things. So... so what? Why do you care if I correct the incorrect information in the profile, and in the process, match the format up to the 16 of 19 other profiles in the system? Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
I then have one question, is the data accurate And I've answered this question. Three times now including this post. NO. The data is NOT accurate. So I'm making the data accurate, and in the process, including some consistency with how the other profiles in the system are listed. Again, if you only can throw a "so what" at me, then "so what" the heck do you care? Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
it's just not that big a deal. That's the point, my friend. The point is that it’s not that big of a deal to you, so it must not be that big of a deal to everyone? Not going to bite on that one Skip... Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
Is the data correct, the CLT will function regardless of the format used, so I don't see an issue, quite frankly. Good for you Skip. Frankly, I don’t see an issue in a TON of things you get heated about on this board, however, you don’t see me bum rushing those threads to point out how little of a deal I think it is... The data is NOT correct. There is incorrect data in the profile. The CLT will NOT function properly at this point. I’m correcting the incorrect data, and in the process, I’m rearranging the credit list so that it matches with 16 other profiles (of 19), which also allows for the proper use of the new group dividers. Again, you think “so what”? So then... what is the big deal you’re making of how and why I’m doing this? If you don’t care, then don’t care! Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
as for the other copies, in the world, since I KNOW without a doubt that Cast and Crew data can be different elsewhere and across different versions of the same film, then I do not put myself in a position to even be concerned about them. Because if i make a "correction" to France or germany and they do have a different Cast and crew list then I am introducing an error based on bad data relative to THAT particular copy. Wasn’t even remotely a part of the actual conversation. I simply brought up the other copies to show that there is SOME consistency in the system, and that my profile didn’t fall in line with this consistency, although it very well could and probably should. Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
BTW I am not the one that took it into conspiracy, that was Alien because he diodn't undersdtand the point Then choose the way you word things more carefully. Your original questions come off as VERY accusatory and conspiracy like towards my actions, when all I’m doing is posing a question to the board in general. And again with this answer, we’ve covered absolutely no new ground. Round and round we go. This thread was basically finished when I answered your original questions. Unless someone has something new to offer, I don’t see the point in it anymore. I’m submitting the data (and in the process, correcting a lot of other incorrect information) and since we all agree that it’s a case of “so what”, there’s nothing else that needs to be said. | | | | The night is calling. And it whispers to me soflty come and play. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Merrik:
Allow me to offer you this. You tal about not seeing any notes. Have you checked Intervoctaive after all this title is near ten years old and there are notes over there, you are only viewing the notes from the last 3 + years, there are still over two years worth of notes at intervocative. I will be happy to look for you ...which UPC are looking at exactly. I'll go copy them and post them here for you. If the existing adta is left to right and so are you...no problem. If you are, like me left to right and the existing is columns, then is the data correct.
This is very simple and why you are deisrous of getting your nose bent out of shape, I have no idea. I am TRYING to help you.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Here is the last Full Audit that was done on 085391832225 R1 US released 9/1/2000, Cast is left to right. From Intervocative
Posted: March 11, 2006 11:07 PM
FULL TITLE AUDIT
ALL data re-verified correct via PowerDVD, DVD Decrypter, Physical check of Disc and Menus and Windows as necessary
Full 800 DPI Cover Scans available on request
Dist. trait edited to match cover
Studio corrected per film credits
Removal of non-existent Deleted Scenes, also cannot locate DVD-ROM Content on the Disc even though it is listed on the Cover
Touti discovered the missing DVD-Rom Content, thanks for the assist
Overview edited for italics ' and ®
New Disc ID data
ANY_GIVEN_SUNDAY[B12420695EC13CA1]
Crew data edited and Ordered per Actual film credits and per rules-As credited
Writing edited and Ordered as follows
John Logan: Screenwriter
Oliver Stone: Screenwriter
Daniel Pyne: Original Material By
John Logan: Original Material By
Salvatore Totino: Cinematographer===>DOP
Thomas J. Nordberg: Film Editor===>Tom Nordberg: Film Editor
+Robbie Robertson: Composer
Sound edited and ReOrdered as follows
Wylie Stateman: Supervising Sound Editor
Kelly Cabral: Supervising Sound Editor
Mark Weber: Production Sound Mixer
Katrina Siegmund: Sound Re-Recording Mixer
Patrick Cyccone: Sound Re-Recording Mixer
Michael Keller: Sound Re-Recording Mixer
Brad Sherman: Sound Re-Recording Mixer
Melissa Hoffman: Sound Re-Recording Mixer
Tom Fleischman: Sound Re-Recording Mixer
+Stella Vaccaro: Art Director
Derek R. Hill: Art Director===>Derek Hill: Art Director
Major re-working oif cast data per Actual flim credits and per Rules- As Credited
Cast listing as follows, there are numerous people incorrectly credited, some people credited that should not be and therefore have been removed. We can argue the presentation I suppose, I used the left to right method of reading Credits it is a LONG listing and in a theater setting you do not have the opportunity to read to the bottom, then back up the film to read the other part. But the data is accurate.
Al Pacino as Tony D'Amato
Steve Raulerson as Sharks Chaplain
Cameron Diaz as Christina Pagniacci
Oliver Stone as Tug Kowalski TV Announcer #1
Dennis Quaid as Jack 'Cap' Rooney
Phil Latzman as Kevin Branson TV Announcer #2
James Woods as Dr. Harvey Mandrake
Barry Switzer as Dallas Announcer
Jamie Foxx as Willie Beamen
Mark Ellis as Quarterback Coach
LL Cool J as Julian Washington
Matthew Modine as Dr. Allie Powers
Anthony L. Tanzi as Sharks Coach
Joseph A. Wilson as Sharks Coach
Jim Brown as Montezuma Monroe
Lawrence Taylor as Luther 'Shark' Lavay
Margaret Betts as Mayor's Aide
Bill Bellamy as Jimmy Sanderson
Antares Davis as Mayor's PR Woman
Andrew Bryniarski as Patrick 'Madman' Kelly
Liz Petterson as Society Lady at Mayor's Party
Lela Rochon as Vanessa Struthers
Lester 'The Mighty Rasta' Speight as Sharks Security Guard
Lauren Holly as Cindy Rooney
Ann-Margret as Margaret Pagniacci
Daniel Marino as Cap Rooney's Child
Aaron Eckhart as Nick Crozier
Alexandra L. Hellman as Cap Rooney's Child
Elizabeth Berkley as Mandy Murphy
Charlton Heston as AFFA Football Commissioner
Hunter White as Cap Rooney's Child
John C. McGinley as Jack Rose
James Karen as Christina's Adviser
Kirsten Krueger as Player's Wife & Girlfriend
Joanna Theobalds as Player's Wife & Girlfriend
Gianni Russo as Christina's Adviser
Tonya Oliver as Player's Wife & Girlfriend
Amy Dorris as Player's Wife & Girlfriend
Duane Martin as Willie's Agent
Mary Fanaro as Player's Wife & Girlfriend
Sarah Penman as Player's Wife & Girlfriend
Clifton Davis as Mayor Tyrone Smalls
Kathy Davis Alzado as Player's Wife & Girlfriend
Sacha Voski as Player's Wife & Girlfriend
John Daniel as Suitor in Christina's Box
Nikki Novak as Player's Wife & Girlfriend
Michelle Bernard as Player's Wife & Girlfriend
Terrell Owens as Himself
Lisa Ann Phillips as Player's Wife & Girlfriend
Cat Akselrad as Player's Wife & Girlfriend
Irving Fryar as Himself
Carin Abnathy as Player's Wife & Girlfriend
Joe Schmidt as Himself
Micah West as Madman's Wife
Ricky Watters as Himself
Christy Tummond as Dr. Mandrake's Girlfriend
Patrick O'Hara as Tyler Cherubini
Eva Tamargo as Tunnel Reporter-Game 3
Jerry A. Sharp as McKenna
Debbie Howard as Tunnel Reporter-Game 3
Marty Wright as 'Beastman'
Tucker Brown as Tunnel Reporter-Game 3
Mazio Royster as Wide Receiver
Bob St. Clair as Opposing Coach-Game 1
Todd Smith as Wide Receiver
Y.A. Tittle as Opposing Coach-Game 2
Jamie Williams as Tight End
Pat Toomay as Opposing Coach-Game 2
Craig Thompson as Tight End
Dick Butkus as Opposing Coach-Game 3
Greg Orvis as Tight End
Warren Moon as Opposing Coach-Game 4
Rick Johnson as Dallas Quarterback
Johnny Unitas as Opposing Coach-Game 5
Bjorn Nittmo as Kicker
Bruce C. Hardy as Dallas Knights Chaplain
Matt Martinez as Shark Fullback
Alex Edlin as Special Stunts
Pete Ohnegian as Shark Center
Horace Knight as Special Stunts
John Clark as Shark Linebacker
Brian O'Neal as Shark Linebacker
Meira Moet as Party Girl
Dawn Crawford as Party Girl
Rhonda Adams as Party Girl
Gwendolyn Osborne as Party Girl
Robert L. Goff as Additional Player
Connell Maynor as Additional Player
Glynnis Lawson as Party Girl
Celia Evans as Party Girl
Joseph Unitas as Additional Player
Marty Hochertz as Additional Player
Jessie Alexander as Party Girl
Nichole Robinson as Party Girl
J. V. Goodman as Additional Player
Robert Gordon as Additional Player
Melissa Jayne as Party Girl
"Jaman" Janet Manns as Party Girl
Skip McClendon as Additional Player
Barry Wagner as Additional Player
Sarah Bredell as Party Girl
Andrea Horka as Party Girl
Derrick Lassic as Additional Player
Richard McKenzie as Additional Player
Michelle Beisner as Party Girl
Hermine Kraljevic as Party Girl
Fred Lester as Additional Player
Sean Hamlet as Additional Player
Cleo Bayla as Party Girl
Mercy Lopez as Party Girl
Eric Miller as Additional Player
Robert Grogan as Additional Player
Luna Abdi Mohamed as Party Girl
Maria E. Heredia as Party Girl
Todd Eric Yeaman as Additional Player
Nyle Wiren as Additional Player
Olivia Fullerton as Party Girl
Jeannie Mustelier as Party Girl
C. Ashley Sherman as Additional Player
Michael Groh III as Additional Player
Biba Mbayi as Party Girl
Delia Sheppard as Party Girl
Connell Spain, Jr. as Additional Player
Len Johnson as Additional Player
Jaime Bergman as Party Girl
Donna Preudhomme as Party Girl
Otis Mounds as Additional Player
Basil Proctor as Additional Player
Matt Storm as Additional Player
Mathew Keneley as Additional Player
Jack Spirtos as Fan
Michael Osuna as Additional Player
Kevin Reid as Additional Player
Mauricio de la Vega as Fan
Sean C. Stone as Fan
Tony Egues as Sharks Trainer
Michael Stone as Fan
Marc Claus as Sharks Trainer
Tara Stone as Fan
Michelle A. Porachan as Sharks Trainer
Frank J. Adler as Fan
Tyler Cravens as Sharks Trainer
Doug Cowden as Fan
James A. Bachand as Shark Trainer
Antoni Cornacchione as Fan
Jason Rubenstein as Sharks Trainer
Art Young as Referee
Drew Rosenhaus as TV Announcer, Willie's Apartment
William Hanlon as Referee
Hunter Reno as Reporter at Mayor's Party
Allan Graf as Referee
Dorothy J. Morrison as Willie's Mom
Joseph W. Underwood as Referee
Vincent DiFatta as Fan Businessman at Mayor's Party
Timothy F. Crowley as Referee
Jim Gasser as Fan Businessman at Mayor's Party
Allen Reidel as Fan Businessman at Mayor's Party
Luciano Armellino as Fan Businessman at Mayor's Party
Myriam as Tony's Bartender
Davoisne-Bruni as Friend-Owner's Box
Rosa Iveth Cortez as Friend-Owner's Box
Melinda Renna as Friend-Owner's Box
Doris Cóndom as Friend, Owner's Box
Joshua David Brown as Sharks Fan (uncredited)
Jeremy Denzlinger as Orange Glove Guy (uncredited)
Anik Dufour as Fan/reporter (uncredited)
Karin M. Gaarder as Knights Fan (uncredited)
Jose Manuel Garcia as Superfan (uncredited)
Wayne Grassfield as Superfan (uncredited)
Alex Harder as Knights Fan (uncredited)
Bruce Jonson as Fan (uncredited)
Jeremy Mo | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: September 30, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,805 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
Allow me to offer you this. You tal about not seeing any notes. Have you checked Intervoctaive after all this title is near ten years old and there are notes over there, you are only viewing the notes from the last 3 + years, there are still over two years worth of notes at intervocative. I appreciate the effort to look through them, but this specific profile is for the Canadian blu-ray. A blu-ray only released in January of last year. It's not one of the profiles that's over ten years old with back history notes. The only notes for this profile are from the original contributor (who contributed the cast and crew, and did not state where he got them from, even though the profile contains uncredited and incorrect spelling of cast members and who had his original contributions declined two times before getting the profile through), myself (correcting a few things upong purchase of the disc) and one other contributor (who made a couple more changes to correct incorrect information originally submitted). Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
If you are, like me left to right and the existing is columns, then is the data correct. And again I say, if the data is correct either way, what's the big deal if I rearrange it so I can properly include the group dividers we can now enter into the cast. I'd rather have the proper group dividers entered than a back and forth between the left and right columns which would absolutely not allow for the use of these dividers. Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
This is very simple and why you are deisrous of getting your nose bent out of shape, I have no idea. I am TRYING to help you.
Skip I wasn't until I felt like your post was accusing me of something I absolutely wasn't trying to do. If you don't want me to get my nose bent out of shape, reconsider how you pose your questions to other members of this board. | | | | The night is calling. And it whispers to me soflty come and play. |
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