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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 3,197 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quote:
Don't ask me to make heads or tales out of that mess, especially based on the Rules. The only thing I can tell you for certain, is that CBS was NEVER a production company for Star Trek, but then this looks like one the Remastered sets, so....maybe they are. Obviously the remastering was not underwritten by NBC. Great now I don't even know who the Production Company is, but valid points raised.
But like I said this what we get to p,lay with when data cannot be defined, but an attempt to write a Rule is undertaken. End result...big mess. The more I see and the more i think about this; the more I become convinced that this a VERY bad mistake. I see absolutely no way to resolve it. I am also increasingly convinced that the two MC fields should be moved to PC.
I agree the MC field rules are a complete mess of contradicting statements. I'd rather delete the whole field than trying to fix it, it serves no useful purpose since apparently it cannot be defined. | | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 | | | | Last edited: by Nexus the Sixth |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Darknite: Quote:
Quoting TheMadMartian:
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Correct me if I am wrong, but I don't see, anywhere in the rules, a requirement that the MC name be credited on the disc itself.
DVD labels are not the same as record labels. In DVD land, labels are more like a brand name.
So if, like you said the MC doesn't need a credit. than maybe I should use Warner Home Video or maybe Twentieth Century Fox Home Entertainment, They are not credited either. Is this an honest question or are you being facetious?  SRP and Release Date aren't found on the disc. Does that mean you can just make up prices and dates? Of course not. Why would this be any different? While it doesn't have to be on the disc, it does have to be the MC responsible for that release. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Ok, let's see you make sense out that Star Trek: Animnated Series data, it makes no sense to me in any form. Wow, what a mess! I presume however, that Darkniote has his tongue in his cheek very firmly, while also being somewhat serious. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: June 8, 2007 | | Posts: 151 |
| | Posted: | | | | facetious
If CBS DVD and CBS Blu-ray are Logos than what is the difference than that of The DC Comics Logos |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
Ok, let's see you make sense out that Star Trek: Animnated Series data, it makes no sense to me in any form. Wow, what a mess scotthm already made sense out of it. Since it has the CBS DVD logo on it, and we know that is the label under which CBS Home Entertainment releases their DVDs, the MC would be CBS Home Entertainment. While CBS had nothing to do with the production, CBS Television Distribution seems to have the distribution rights for everything Star Trek on TV, so it make sense. In my opinion, this is only as hard as people want to make it.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 20, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,850 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Darknite: Quote:
If CBS DVD and CBS Blu-ray are Logos than what is the difference than that of The DC Comics Logos They belong to different companies. What does DC Comics have to do with your Star Trek contributions? --------------- |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Really? I see a lot of data there but i see no reference of ANY kind to CBSHE, I may be wrong and blind, but there is NOTHING there | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
Really? I see a lot of data there but i see no reference of ANY kind to CBSHE, I may be wrong and blind, but there is NOTHING there I see a CBS DVD logo. I know that CBS DVD is the label under which CBSHE distributes their DVDs. If you can't see that, then there is little I can do to help. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Darknite: Quote:
facetious
If CBS DVD and CBS Blu-ray are Logos than what is the difference than that of The DC Comics Logos Not a thing, other than they are owned by two different companies. I am not sure what you are asking here...unless you are confusing the word 'logo' with 'label'. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | No, it's NOT there, Martian. As I noted we are going away from ease of data entry into complexity in both Rule and data entry, which IS going to reduce Contributions even further. Now you are doingm exactly the same thing you did with WDSHE you are reading far more than is THERE. And you were and STILL are wrong relative to WDSHE being a Distributor in the US, Worldwide, yes but NOT in US and that is provable by any Disney Company Title. So, there is no CBSHE lisrted ATALL. I can't make heads or tails of all that data. I know you know Studios, amigo, so do I and generally I will not question you, but relative to WDSHE you are simply wrong and I see no reference to CBSHE on that cover...not even a logo.
The system was designed to be EASY data entry for ALL users. The data was as indicated in the Rules intended to be easily obtainable from the product, The Cover, the Disc or the Film itself as applicable, now it's go here, look at this, look at that, maybe you have to somewhere else. That's anything but easy. The ONLY thing that I ever envisioned any need for outside of the disc was research for BY data qand resolution of similar names.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | As I said, this is only as hard as people want to make it. Since you have decided that you will focus only on the DVD case, and I am open to outside sources, there is no point in discussing this further. I have no desire to replay the discussion we had in the rules forum, so I will leave it at that.
As for reducing contributions further, based on what I have seen, people seem to be understanding this just fine. For those that don't, they can either not contribute MCs, or they can follow the rules and do what scotthm did...ask here in the forums. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | You simply fail to admit you were wrong and this is a mess and is only going to get worse. Simplicity has gone by the boards in favor of ambiguity and complexity.  Oh well. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,850 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
I see no reference to CBSHE on that cover...not even a logo. So it's your conclusion that we have no idea who produced or distributed Star Trek: The Animated Series on DVD? --------------- |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | In this particular instance, I would have to say probably yes. The closest I see is the Paramount logo, which has been used on every PHV/PHE title for the last 13 years. But on the basis of the data, on the back, it's a huge mish-mash. To be honest on this one, I don't know, I certainly would not vote No to PHE based on history, but is that 100% accurate, it's hard to say. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,372 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
As I said, this is only as hard as people want to make it. FWIW I learned quite a bit from the rules re-write discussions. I may still have questions but the field in general makes a lot more sense now.  Quote:
Since you have decided that you will focus only on the DVD case, and I am open to outside sources, there is no point in discussing this further. I have no desire to replay the discussion we had in the rules forum, so I will leave it at that. Probably a wise decision. Next up to bat... WDSHE  Quote:
As for reducing contributions further, based on what I have seen, people seem to be understanding this just fine. For those that don't, they can either not contribute MCs, or they can follow the rules and do what scotthm did...ask here in the forums. Again, |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | I have to laugh. That requires me to genuflect to the martian who has already proved himself to be in error on WDSHE. No, I won't do that, in this case, there are time when I am more than willing to grant him his due, but just as I don't know everything neither does he. As noted the best that can be said for WDSHE is that MAYBE they are the US Dsitributor for Disney Rental product, which is a little outside the perview of profiler, unless a user bought a pre-viewed title from somewhere, but then my question would be does it have a separate UPC from the sell-thru release, if not then WDSHE still would remain simply an undefined logo.
As for the Martian being willing to go afield for data, that's all well and good but as I have explained this drops in a layer complexity and ambiguity into the data and the Rules that just complicates everything. The system was designed to be simple, with everything that was needed, with the exceptions of BY and Similar names, is available from the package the Disc or the Film/TV Show...oh I forgot those old shows where we may have to go out to get Roles. Not go here that, or there for this | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
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