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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorLewis_Prothero
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But what if a scenario pops up (let's use Babel for an example) where the crew is separated into the three different locations. One crew for Morocco, one for Mexico and one for Japan? All under separate headers. Would we just not enter any of them?


If there really is no main crew but just varying location crews, as in Babel or Black Rain, I'd probably enter the location crews, but only in cases like that. In the case you described (I'll get my copy today), I'd leave them out, because there clearly seems to be a main crew.

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They're all still part of the "main crew", they're just the main crew in three different countries.


Not quite sure if I understand that.
But, "Yes", in the cases mentioned above this is correct.
For me the "main crew"-listing usually is over with the first "xy-crew" or "xy-unit", if there was crew listed before this. This has to be handled case-sensitive though, a header named "Arts-Crew", of course wouldn't justify the ending of main crew, but is simply a subdivision.
It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?


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But what if a scenario pops up (let's use Babel for an example) where the crew is separated into the three different locations. One crew for Morocco, one for Mexico and one for Japan? All under separate headers. Would we just not enter any of them?


If there really is no main crew but just varying location crews, as in Babel or Black Rain, I'd probably enter the location crews, but only in cases like that. In the case you described (I'll get my copy today), I'd leave them out, because there clearly seems to be a main crew.


Oh I don't know if Babel is listed like that, I just totally pulled that out of my a** in a "what if" scenario! 
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Not quite sure if I understand that.


Well, what I meant (I'm wordy and bad with them... so bear with me...  ), is if the film is shot in three different countries. Each country that the film is shot in contains a main storyline for the film. Crew is hired in each of those three different countries to work on the film, as it's being filmed, instead of hauling around one specific set of crew. Make-up artists for each different country. Sound mixers for each different country. Costume designers for each different country (to, I don't know, get the feel right or something...  ). Re-recording artists for each different country. Then ALL of those crew, would still be "main crew" because they worked on the film in a major contributing way (rather than unit crew who usually do smaller things or back-up or what have you) and their worked is displayed loudly and proudly in the film, there'd just be three different sets of "main crew".

Did I explain that okay? Sounds good in my head. Translation into the written word is a totally different story!!!

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This has to be handled case-sensitive though, a header named "Arts-Crew", of course wouldn't justify the ending of main crew, but is simply a subdivision.


I agree. I think Avatar is one of these case sensitive situations.
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I agree. I think Avatar is one of these case sensitive situations.

I'll know more in about an hour (that's when the mail usually arrives at my home).
It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?


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I agree. I think Avatar is one of these case sensitive situations.

I'll know more in about an hour (that's when the mail usually arrives at my home).


At four in the morning?

Oh wait... international forum here. 

Speaking of which... what in the hell am I still doing up? 
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Merrik, you make me laugh. 

I did the credits recently for Babel. There was a bit of general crew, but after the production designer and the costume designers were listed, all other art department crew were under the 3 location headers. To me, that's the clue. If you have already listed some general make-up crew, don't list the make-up crew you find under location headers. On the other hand, if the only make-up crew is under a location header, that's ok. That's an indication of a multi-location general crew. In my opinion. 

I'm not sure from your original description as to what you exactly found in terms of what I just said, so I'm not speaking about the Avatar credits just yet.

As for the song writer credit, I would list them only once. Our Song Writer credit covers both music and lyrics. I never list a song writer more than once, even if they're listed as a co-writer on several songs with different people. They're either a song writer or they aren't in my opinion rather than song writer, song writer, song writer, song writer...
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Merrik, you make me laugh. 


  If there's one thing this hobby SHOULD be, it's fun... even in the face of whacked out weird stuff like crew for a James Cameron film... 

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I'm not sure from your original description as to what you exactly found in terms of what I just said, so I'm not speaking about the Avatar credits just yet.


It was pretty similar to the scenario you described, kinda. Under what I guess we could call the general crew, there was a single make-up artist. Then under the New Zealand crew, there was a whopping seven make-up artists, including a Department Head Make-up artist (which wasn’t under the general crew) and a Hair & Make-up artist for Sigourney Weaver, as well as a couple of Production Sound Mixers (one, Tony Johnson, was nominated for an Academy Award and his only credit is under the New Zealand crew) and a couple of costume supervisors. Then under Los Angeles, there were a couple more make-up artists and a couple more costume supervisors.

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As for the song writer credit, I would list them only once. Our Song Writer credit covers both music and lyrics. I never list a song writer more than once, even if they're listed as a co-writer on several songs with different people. They're either a song writer or they aren't in my opinion rather than song writer, song writer, song writer, song writer...


This is what I think I probably should have done... but didn’t... The music crew looks weird with them listed twice like that, but it’s definitely something that can be corrected later!

The DVD child profile was approved (and the blu-ray parent currently has one yes vote on it). When the profile is released later on tonight, if anyone wants to take a look at it, it’s available to search by title, Canadian locality, Disc ID: 882B-4D3C-EC21-A318.

If anyone wants to do that and let me know what you think, or offer up some extra tips or advice, it’s be muchly appreciated!!!
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It was pretty similar to the scenario you described, kinda. Under what I guess we could call the general crew, there was a single make-up artist. Then under the New Zealand crew, there was a whopping seven make-up artists, including a Department Head Make-up artist (which wasn’t under the general crew) and a Hair & Make-up artist for Sigourney Weaver, as well as a couple of Production Sound Mixers (one, Tony Johnson, was nominated for an Academy Award and his only credit is under the New Zealand crew) and a couple of costume supervisors. Then under Los Angeles, there were a couple more make-up artists and a couple more costume supervisors.

Finished my version too.
There are three general sections of crew:
a) The General (or Main) Crew which seemed to be involved in all stages
b) The Motion Capturing Crew
c) The Live-Action Crew (named New Zealand Crew)

I omitted the LA-Crew. If I recall correctly they were named LA-Unit (or similar)
It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?


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It was pretty similar to the scenario you described, kinda. Under what I guess we could call the general crew, there was a single make-up artist. Then under the New Zealand crew, there was a whopping seven make-up artists, including a Department Head Make-up artist (which wasn’t under the general crew) and a Hair & Make-up artist for Sigourney Weaver, as well as a couple of Production Sound Mixers (one, Tony Johnson, was nominated for an Academy Award and his only credit is under the New Zealand crew) and a couple of costume supervisors. Then under Los Angeles, there were a couple more make-up artists and a couple more costume supervisors.

Finished my version too.
There are three general sections of crew:
a) The General (or Main) Crew which seemed to be involved in all stages
b) The Motion Capturing Crew
c) The Live-Action Crew (named New Zealand Crew)

I omitted the LA-Crew. If I recall correctly they were named LA-Unit (or similar)


I included the LA crew. Not for any specific reason if I recall... (it was pretty damn late last night!!!  ) and they were the more "iffy" crew that I included, but the profile was accepted today (and released early for some reason, it should be available to view now), so if anyone wants to take a look and yell at me, please have at 'er!!
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I included the LA crew. Not for any specific reason if I recall... (it was pretty damn late last night!!!  ) and they were the more "iffy" crew that I included, but the profile was accepted today (and released early for some reason, it should be available to view now), so if anyone wants to take a look and yell at me, please have at 'er!!

Wonder how LostMules notes on paper in the dark for credits turned out compared to the actual on screen roll of the DVD?     
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Wonder how LostMules notes on paper in the dark for credits turned out compared to the actual on screen roll of the DVD?     

Not very well.  Neither did his idea of contributing a pre-release profile to the Canadian locality using the US UPC. Guess what? Canada has their own UPC. 
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I did the credits recently for Babel. There was a bit of general crew, but after the production designer and the costume designers were listed, all other art department crew were under the 3 location headers. To me, that's the clue. If you have already listed some general make-up crew, don't list the make-up crew you find under location headers. On the other hand, if the only make-up crew is under a location header, that's ok. That's an indication of a multi-location general crew. In my opinion. 

This has my vote as well.
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I might agree, personally, Tim, n fact I do. But it's still against the Rules for now. It is something that if James really wants to track or me or you, we can do that with the Other Job and custom Role, which are not Contributable. We don't today track any unit or second crew and without Open creds of some form, I don't think we will or should. It should remain a completely local choice.
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The rules say, "Do not enter unit crew such as "Unit Photographer"."  They do not prohibit Location Crew, Restoration Crew, Special Edition Crew, etc..

If Avatar was done like Babel, which I am fairly sure it was, Cameron worked with one crew in Los Angeles, and another crew in New Zealand.  This is becoming more and more common as it saves money.  Instead of flying the entire crew to another country, you only fly the main crew...Director, DoP, etc...and hire people from the local film industry to fill all the other spots.

This is not the same as unit crew, which is used to film scenery, crowds, etc..
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Oh please, Martian. Give me a break, sometimes your parsing drives me crazy. you know damn good and well, what the idea is, NO UNIT or 2mnd Crew.
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Oh please, Martian. Give me a break, sometimes your parsing drives me crazy. you know damn good and well, what the idea is, NO UNIT or 2mnd Crew.

Please do not presume to tell me what I do or do not know.  I have explained my position, which I believe is further supported by the Divider rule..."Also use Group dividers for crew teams."  If you don't agree, don't agree.  I have no problem with that.
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