Quoting Prof. Kingsfield:

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You have given perhaps the best answer fior there needs to be Oen creds. just to keep you garbling the data and making it say something it is NOT.

Story By
Screenplay By

I find it incredulous that you would give Whittingham the exact same credit as the two guys that actually wrote the screenplay for the movie!

Talk about alternate realities.

Quoting TheMadMartian:

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Sorry Skip, but you are wrong on this one.  According to Wikipedia...

Thunderball is the ninth novel by Ian Fleming based on the fictional British Secret Service agent Commander James Bond. Fleming wrote it intending to film it; it is officially credited as 'based on a screen treatment by Kevin McClory, Jack Whittingham, and Ian Fleming', a controversial shared credit that was the result of a courtroom decision. The novel was first published on March 27, 1961, and is technically the first novelisation of a James Bond screenplay, though when written and published, the film had yet to be produced — and when it was, the screenplay was rewritten by others.

Whittingham wrote the original story and screenplay, that were turned into a book.  The screenplay, that was used for filming, was based on those.  So, not only do the credits support OMB, but the actual facts do as well.

Edit:  Just so we don't get the 'Wikipedia' isn't an accurate source of information, that information is supported by quite a few other movie history sites.  Please tell me I don't have to list them all. 

Martian:

I don't give a crap about Wiki, they are no better than IMDb. Want ot go find a better source? BTW, there was much bad blood between McClory and Flemuing and the end result of McClory winning the lawsuit many years later resulted in Never Say Never Again.

Face it martian, your idea muddies the credits beyond recognition.

Quoting Prof. Kingsfield:

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Martian:

I don't give a crap about Wiki, they are no better than IMDb. Want ot go find a better source? BTW, there was much bad blood between McClory and Flemuing and the end result of McClory winning the lawsuit many years later resulted in Never Say Never Again.

This I know as I did the research on Thunderball.  One has to wonder how you know that, yet you don't know that Richard Maibaum wrote the actual screenplay...the one that was used for filming...and based it on the novel and original script. 

I guess I should have known better, and simply offered the other sources.  This is really getting old, but here goes:

Try here
Despite the legal dispute between McClory/Whittingham and Fleming in 1961, Albert R. Broccoli and Harry Saltzman, together with United Artists, commissioned screenwriter Richard Maibaum to write a screenplay based on the Thunderball novel and/or McClory's James Bond film scripts.

or here
Richard Maibaum found himself re-writing the script solo, Paul Dehn having cried off due to prior commitments. His script was given a polish by veteran British writer John Hopkins...

or here
Thunderball (1965) is the fourth spy film in the James Bond series after Dr. No (1962), From Russia with Love (1963) and Goldfinger (1964), and the fourth to star Sean Connery as the fictional MI6 agent James Bond. It is an adaptation of the novel of the same name by Ian Fleming, which in turn was based on an original screenplay by Jack Whittingham. It was directed by Terence Young with screenplay by Richard Maibaum and John Hopkins.

Is that enough or do you need more? 

Bottom line, Jack Whittingham had zero to do with the film.  While it was based on the novel, that was based on his screenplay, it was actually written by Richard Maibaum and John Hopkins.

And i know all that, Martian, you forget how well i know film myself. But I deal with the Credited data, i don't go running around all over the place trying to justify turning it into something it isn't. That kind of thing you justifying  for your own justification and one that has absolutely NOTHING to do with what the actual data says.

Hal, put your attitude an the shelf. Neither of you are ever going convince me. In my book, you are both WRONG and will ALWAYS be wrong on this issue. We can continue tjhe back and forth or just agree to disagree.

Skip

Whoops, not quite fast enough.

Prediction confirmed.

Keep it up, Hal. Let's just agree to disagree and DROP it. Do you always have to be a total...

Quoting Prof. Kingsfield:

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And i know all that, Martian, you forget how well i know film myself. But I deal with the Credited data, i don't go running around all over the place trying to justify turning it into something it isn't. That kind of thing you justifying  for your own justification and one that has absolutely NOTHING to do with what the actual data says.

I have a hard time believing that you knew all that.  If you had, you would have mentioned it when I provided the same exact information from the Wiki article.  Instead, you said, "I don't give a crap about Wiki, they are no better than IMDb. Want ot go find a better source?"  That tells me you had no idea.  If you did, why ask for a better source?  Now that I have provided what you asked for, because you can't really argue with it, you have changed your tune.

In addition, you are not dealing with what the actual data says because you want to give Whittingham a credit for writting the story as well as the screenplay.  I am sorry, but the data does not support that as they say Thunderball, the film, is based on what he wrote.

Anyway, I am done playing this stupid game.  @ Orici, you have your answer.  Both the credits, and the facts, support OMB.

Quoting Orici:

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Just seems strange to have 2 OMB credits for the same person, But thanks to all of you for your input.

Exactly and because of that all relevance of the data is completely lost.

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