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Yet another devider question
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Well you know how it is when something is not allowed nor disallowed. It is a contribution and voting free for all. People are free to add them if they prefer it (personal preference)... but at the same time people are allowed to vote against it if they do not like it. (Personal Preference as well)... if someone can try to add something through personal preference then people can vote yes or no based on same.

Not the way I would like to look at it personally... I am in the line of thinking since it is not in the rules as allowed... then it shouldn't be added to the main online database.
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Looking at the divider rules, I don't see where a blank divider is allowed.  It isn't an episode divider nor is it a group divider, so I agree with Pete.

It is neither allowed nor disallowed strictly speaking, Martian.

Once again
"Dividers allow the segregation of cast and crew into logical groupings. Wherever possible, these groupings should mirror the film credits."

Do we determine what the logical groupings are or WHY? I don't think so, we don't have that kind of knowledge. The filmmakers put in a blank space (Divider for our purposes),m do we know why or why not , clearly we don't, we can only say there is a blank space there, that is the factual determination or not as the case may be. A blank divider is as valid a piece of data as one which has actual data in the divider.

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A blank is not "data". The rules give 2 examples for using dividers: episode dividers for episodes and group dividers for group roles. A blank is neither.
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Looking at the divider rules, I don't see where a blank divider is allowed.  It isn't an episode divider nor is it a group divider, so I agree with Pete.

It is neither allowed nor disallowed strictly speaking, Martian.

Once again
"Dividers allow the segregation of cast and crew into logical groupings. Wherever possible, these groupings should mirror the film credits."

Do we determine what the logical groupings are or WHY? I don't think so, we don't have that kind of knowledge. The filmmakers put in a blank space (Divider for our purposes),m do we know why or why not , clearly we don't, we can only say there is a blank space there, that is the factual determination or not as the case may be. A blank divider is as valid a piece of data as one which has actual data in the divider.

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A blank is not "data". The rules give 2 examples for using dividers: episode dividers for episodes and group dividers for group roles. A blank is neither.

That is your opinion...right? There are those who would disagree with you. I am not saying what I think, so don't try and infer anything. But I can certainly see an argument that even a blank divider provides a logical grouping. it may be known to the filmmaker, but that would not be surprising. Do we know more than the filmmakers do, some of us very clearly believe that they do, and some of us very clearly don't and just deal with whatever the data really IS.
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A blank is not "data".

That is your opinion...right?


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A blank divider is as valid a piece of data as one which has actual data in the divider.

That is your opinion...right?
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It is neither allowed nor disallowed strictly speaking, Martian.

Once again
"Dividers allow the segregation of cast and crew into logical groupings. Wherever possible, these groupings should mirror the film credits."

Do we determine what the logical groupings are or WHY? I don't think so, we don't have that kind of knowledge. The filmmakers put in a blank space (Divider for our purposes),m do we know why or why not , clearly we don't, we can only say there is a blank space there, that is the factual determination or not as the case may be. A blank divider is as valid a piece of data as one which has actual data in the divider.

According to the rest of the rule, the part you didn't quote, we do determine the logical groupings...

  • Use Episode dividers for TV show episodes, distinct films, or other logical episodic distinction. Also use episode dividers for full cast division, such as "Japanese Voices".

  • Use Group dividers to designate cast grouped in the credits such as "Soldiers" or "Additional Cast".


  • Based on those two descriptions, a blank line is neither an episode divider nor a group divider.
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    Quoting m.cellophane:
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    A blank is not "data".

    That is your opinion...right?


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    A blank divider is as valid a piece of data as one which has actual data in the divider.

    That is your opinion...right?

    Yes it is my opinion. And now because it suits you believe that the two examples are comprehensive and complete? We have an interesting and never stable interpretation of the Rules from you, james. It's whatever suits you at the moment...everytime. Sorry. This is almost funny.
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    Yes it is my opinion. And now because it suits you believe that the two examples are comprehensive and complete? We have an interesting and never stable interpretation of the Rules from you, james. It's whatever suits you at the moment...everytime. Sorry. This is almost funny.

    I agree with MadMartian and Pete. Not exactly a rogue opinion on my part.
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    So...once again you dismiss an different opinion, something which is always true when you cannot counter it. I never said you opinion was wrong, rogue or anything else intended to demean it. You have an interpretation and there is room for a different interpretation, that does mean you are right, it doesn't mean you are wrong. I will say however based on the number of times i have seen the majority BRAGGED about and the number of time s the majority has been WRONG or led us in the wrong direction, leaning on the majority is simply a way to avoid trying to deal with a valid argument which cannot be dispatched.

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    Based on those two descriptions, a blank line is neither an episode divider nor a group divider.



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    So...once again you dismiss an different opinion, something which is always true when you cannot counter it.

    Nobody is under any obligation to argue their point of view if it differs with someone else's, even yours. It is perfectly acceptable to simply state how you feel and leave it at that.
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    So...once again you dismiss an different opinion, something which is always true when you cannot counter it. I never said you opinion was wrong, rogue or anything else intended to demean it. You have an interpretation and there is room for a different interpretation, that does mean you are right, it doesn't mean you are wrong. I will say however based on the number of times i have seen the majority BRAGGED about and the number of time s the majority has been WRONG or led us in the wrong direction, leaning on the majority is simply a way to avoid trying to deal with a valid argument which cannot be dispatched.

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    I have stated my opinion and not labeled yours or dismissed it. You labeled and dismissed mine as "interesting and never stable" and "whatever suits [me] at the moment".
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    James:

    You did dismiss my opinion read your quote again

    "I agree with MadMartian and Pete. Not exactly a rogue opinion on my part."

    You not only dismissed it, you implied by your choice of words that MY opinion was a rogue opinion.

    And rick again I ask you politely, you are bringing absolutely nothing of any value or substance to this conversation please keep such comments to YOURSELF. Thank you.

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    Quoting Prof. Kingsfield:
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    James:

    You did dismiss my opinion read your quote again

    "I agree with MadMartian and Pete. Not exactly a rogue opinion on my part."

    You not only dismissed it, you implied by your choice of words that MY opinion was a rogue opinion.

    And rick again I ask you politely, you are bringing absolutely nothing of any value or substance to this conversation please keep such comments to YOURSELF. Thank you.

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          It's funny that you say something about James dismissing your opinion yet I post my opinion agreeing with Martian and you say I bring nothing.     

    @everyone else. Don't worry. I won't play these reindeer games with the Dr. That's the last I have to say about it. I just found it  how he dismisses my opinion as "bringing nothing" in a post about his opinion being dismissed 
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    Quoting Orici:
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    when reviewing the cast list for "Superman" there is a gap/space before the first group, my question is should I leave the blue divider there to reflect that?


    To get back on topic. I wouldn't add them. I see a lot of credits where there is a space after the director, the producer etc. Do we really want to add all those? I don't, and i really don't see the point/use of doing so.

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    No divider. I don't see any reason to add it. Not in crew, not in cast.

    I don't see any reason to use credited as either. They are just two people credited on the same line. They wrote it together but not as a group.

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    I also would leave the blank lines in crew out.

    In cast it would be perhaps more interesting.
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    In cast it would be perhaps more interesting.


    May i ask why? I personally don't see any added value but of course it's possible i miss something.

    Paul
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