Synner-man, forget it, those people will never learn and accept that,

what counts is, that the screeners letting all those changes thru

Donnie

Again, people aren't hijacking/forcing/anythingelseing. You just said that there ARE exceptions to the rule so a discussion IS needed. No matter how small a percentage, an exception is an exception is an exception.

Although I'm sure it's a made up percentage, your 0.01% amount would be around 133861 that do use a middle name using Wikipedia's estimated 2010 population of 1,338,612,968. While if you look at the population as a whole it's not much, it is still a lot of people. This is only looking at Chinese-Chinese not counting US-Chinese, etc...

Edit: Please don't continually attack the people whose opinion differs from yours. A poster made a thread about the issue & people are allowed to present their views.

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Well,

This had been adressed 234 times before,

and the outcome was

CHINESE PEOPLE DO NOT USE MIDDLE NAMES

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Yeh, let us hijack this thread and talk about the 0.01 % exceptions instead of the 99.91 % to whom this rule apply.

One of those quoted parts is definitely incorrect. As is usual, an internet search has given both answers.



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Edit: Please don't continually attack the people whose opinion differs from yours.

You don't seem to be able to do this so there's no point in discussing it further with you.

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The exceptions are the chinese-americans who have chosen to add an english name.

In China there are no middle names, it is NON EXITING in their culture, is this so hard to understand ?
It surely seems that this is too hard, so I leave it be now.

No use discussing this any further with people who seem to have no urge to understand different cultures with different rules...

Donnie

Alright, then why are you adding their Chinese given name to their family name.  That is also 100% wrong.  You are partially correct when you say in China, there are no middle names.  That's true until someone decides to add a Western name to their Chinese given name.  If you ask them what that name is, they will probably say that it's their Western name or stage name.  If you ask Tony Leung Chiu-wai, what his given name is, he will probably state Chiu-wai.  So where do you get off parsing his name Tony//Leung Chiu-wai?  As far as I am concerned, there has been no concensus regarding Asian name parsing.  You may have been able to sneak these changes past the screeners, but that's no more correct then tons of IMDB entries that made it into the database.

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First, stubborness you cannot fight with kind words.

Really?  Based on what?  I know a lot of stubborn people and I never have to resort to name calling.

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Second, what gives you the opinion that any of those actors are chinese americans ?
This is funny beyond belief, none of those mentioned have anything to do with america, they are no immigrants, they are no americans, they are CHINESE people and for the 1234567 time, CHINESE people do NOT have middle names!

I don't believe I ever claimed that they were.  What I did was provide the link to the place where I read the information I mentioned earlier in this thread.  In addition, since these actors have adopted western first names, why is it beyond the realm of possibilities to believe that they also adopted western name structure?  If we are being honest, there is no way for you to know and you are being just as stubborn as the people you are insulting.  They, at least, have been able to remain civil.

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It getting überannoying that the same people over and over again try to sneak in and want to apply american rules to other cultures.

     
Donnie

Actually, it is your attitude, that you can be rude to people simply because they don't agree with you, that is überannoying. 

For me it would be important to parse the family name into the last name field. Whether we see two given first names or a given first and middle name is not so important for me. I would be either happy with
Tony Chiu Wai//Leung or Tony/Chiu Wai/Leung with or without dash. Of course the credited as field should be entered correctly as well. On the other hand, if we'd had only a single name field, I would not care whether the family name or given name would come first.

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Well Martian,

you are a sneaky guy, why else would you post a link to this thread about chinese-american people, which are not the subject of this thread
This is what i call hijacking a thread and leading it into your preferred direction.
Your link did not help a tiny bit to resolve the issue.

I made a statement, my first post in this thread, about something that I remembered reading.  I later found where I had read it, so added the link to it.  If you want to call that sneaky, well, I guess we have two different definitions for that word.

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Also, where did I call anyone names ?
I wasn't überfriendly in my posts, but this is just adjusting to the level that this forum has reached.
Namecalling or insulting is something completely different, we do not want to go there.

Shaking your head at stubborn ignorance is the same as calling people stubborn and ignorant.  If you want to split hairs and pretend that it isn't, that's your choice, but I won't play that game.  As for the level that this forum has reached, yours are the only insulting and unfriendly posts...at least they have been for the last week or so...so you can't blame the forum atmosphere.

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And I am truly sorry that I find it very annoying that the same issue is brought up over and over again by some people, tho the ones contributing have moved on a year ago and do it their way.

I did a quick search of bbbbb's posts and wasn't able to find the posts where he brought this up before...not that it matters as that really isn't an excuse for your rude behavior.

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"After reading the rest of DarklyNoon's posts in this thread, is it any wonder that you find very little company in doing the work?"

And this directed to synner-man, one of our most valuable contributors, is of course not insulting from you, eh ?

Actually, it was directed at your attitude and, no, it isn't insulting.  bbbbb asked for advice on how to parse Hong Kong names.  I am guessing he was asking so that he could help contribute.  You, by your own admission, turned this into an überunfriendly thread.  Why on earth would anybody subject themselves to that attitude?  Better to just leave it for the next guy.

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To sum this up and end this useless ping-pong argumentation.
We two seem to have dif opinions on almost everything and will not become studybuddies here.

We both do some pretty ok work for the community, so let's continue this useful work and let's try to avoid each other on all those things where neither of us will be able to convince the other one

I don't have a problem with differing opinions and I am not here to convince you of anything.  What I have a problem with is your recent inability to deal with differing opinions in a civil manner.  If you want to disagree, disagree I really don't care.  But be rude, and insulting, and I will point it out every time as there is no need for that.  This forum was a very unfriendly place to visit.  Ken has instituted forum bans that, much as I hate to admit it, have had a positive effect.  We really don't need someone new picking up that torch and dragging us back. 

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Seems we have one complete misunderstanding here.

I never insulted or wanted to insult "bbbbbb", he just asked a question, which i friendly answered in my first reply.
I dunno where you are getting your opinion that I insulted "bbbbb" ???

I am just überannoyed at a few people that step in (again) to try to force their minority opinion on a matter that is solved for at least a year now.

And if shaking a head at stubborness is an insult for you, oh dear... we aren't all fragile easter bunnies

I agree that the forum has become a much more civil place during the last weeks, but to call me a troublemaker I cannot take seriously.
I am a member here for a long time and so far I was unfriendly in 2 topics during all that time, I was getting a bit angry here and very angry in the Stereo-Surround topic (which in the end I was right which what i tried to defend, same as in this topic).

Of course being right does not justify getting unfriendly to others, but we are all humans and sometimes I lose my temper like almost every other human being does too.

Aside from those two topics (still do not see how someone can call my behaviour in this one here insulting), I am doing alot for the community (so do you Martian), but we two seem to be very different human beings with very different opinions and very different views on how things should be handled.

But that is how it is and we have to deal with it.

But this topic was solved after my first friendly reply to "bbbbb", and when the same people came in here again, like in all similar topics to force their minority opinion, I got a bit angry and that happens when you are a human being, emotions come up and go away again

cheers
Donnie

Are you directing this at me then?  I too have been here (and Intervocative) a long time (since 2002) and have had many discussion on Asian names.  I think I have been constructive in my discussions and posts and have tried to guide more vocal voices to be more accommodating towards special needs of Asian credits.  Asian names are special interest of mine and it's one thing that I try to follow closely on these forums.  I wasn't aware of any resolution on this topic unless it was through some PM or outside communication.  Regardless, what you and other members are doing is not justifiable by any interpretation of the current rules.  Parsing Tony Leung Chiu-wai into Tony//Leung Chiu-wai has never occurred to me in my wildest imagination.  BTW, how do you do parse pure Chinese names like Chow Yun-fat?