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Enter it like a stage name.

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I would enter it like a stage name.

No way. He was a Wing Commander: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_Gibson. So no stage name.

But Wing Commander is not his given name.  He chooses to be identified by his rank and last name.  The most logical way to handle it is as a stage name.

The alternative is to credit him as (last name) Gibson [Wing Commander Gibson], which Hal already pointed out cannot be done.  This also leaves us with one name, which the rules tell us to use as a stage name.  But what sense does a stage name of Gibson make since that's not what he's called?

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I would enter it like a stage name.

No way. He was a Wing Commander: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_Gibson. So no stage name.

But Wing Commander is not his given name.  He chooses to be identified by his rank and last name.  The most logical way to handle it is as a stage name.

The alternative is to credit him as (last name) Gibson [Wing Commander Gibson], which Hal already pointed out cannot be done.  This also leaves us with one name, which the rules tell us to use as a stage name.  But what sense does a stage name of Gibson make since that's not what he's called?

NO, like hal says not supportable under the Rules or anything else, but different

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I would enter it like a stage name.

No way. He was a Wing Commander: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_Gibson. So no stage name.

But Wing Commander is not his given name.  He chooses to be identified by his rank and last name.  The most logical way to handle it is as a stage name.

The alternative is to credit him as (last name) Gibson [Wing Commander Gibson], which Hal already pointed out cannot be done.  This also leaves us with one name, which the rules tell us to use as a stage name.  But what sense does a stage name of Gibson make since that's not what he's called?

NO, like hal says not supportable under the Rules or anything else, but different

OK, so how should the Rules be adjusted to accomodate Wing Commander Gibson, Queen Elizabeth II, et al?

She could also be entered as Queen Elizabeth II//., either way would be correct. A case could be made that Hal's might be more correct, but neither would be WRONG. Trying to make something hard that simply isn't.

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But Wing Commander is not his given name.  He chooses to be identified by his rank and last name.  The most logical way to handle it is as a stage name.

The alternative is to credit him as (last name) Gibson [Wing Commander Gibson], which Hal already pointed out cannot be done.  This also leaves us with one name, which the rules tell us to use as a stage name.  But what sense does a stage name of Gibson make since that's not what he's called?

An honorific is never a given name (the only exception I can think of is a royal title, but is that really given? I mean when a baby princess/prince is born will s/he be registered with the title?). Queen Latifah is a stage name, because Queen isn't an official honorific in her case. She's isn't crowned or something like that 

Besides I have two degree titles as well. In some cases I choose to include them, sometimes I don't. But when I do I don't use it as a stage name.

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I would enter it like a stage name.

No way. He was a Wing Commander: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_Gibson. So no stage name.

But Wing Commander is not his given name.  He chooses to be identified by his rank and last name.  The most logical way to handle it is as a stage name.

The alternative is to credit him as (last name) Gibson [Wing Commander Gibson], which Hal already pointed out cannot be done.  This also leaves us with one name, which the rules tell us to use as a stage name.  But what sense does a stage name of Gibson make since that's not what he's called?

NO, like hal says not supportable under the Rules or anything else, but different

OK, so how should the Rules be adjusted to accomodate Wing Commander Gibson, Queen Elizabeth II, et al?

Queen Elizabeth II would be "Elizabeth II// [Queen Elizabeth II]", which can be entered today.

We only have a problem if there is no first name.

That's how I would enter her as well.

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That's exactly why QEII//would be correct HalBut there is nothing wrong with your suggestion. I think Caleb is just trying to make a big deal where none exists. The two Queens only APPEAR the same, when in fact they aren't.

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Well, I disagree.  "QEII//" would not be correct per the new Rule on honorifics.

My reading of the Rule is that honorifics are not to be entered into the name field; only the "Credited As" field.