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  | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 8,733 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Tracer: Quote:
Well I found that even if you don't tick the video formats when contributing multiple media types it contributes it anyway. I just found this, too. Even when I don't tick the checkbox for the "video format" section, it's included as part of the contribution anyway. I contributed a U.K. Blu-ray/DVD-combo without including the video format section in my contribution, and someone voted no - understandably so - because I had set the video format to NTSC (and, this being a U.K. region 2 set, the DVD is PAL). But again: I didn't even include it. So this is gonna take some getting used to - both for contributors and voters. I think I'll resubmit with PAL in place now - if we HAVE to have either one of those, then it had better be the format that's actually on the disc. The question whether to tick the anamorphic "16 x 9 Enhanced" box still stands, though - now that we're forced to set PAL/NTSC for these combo sets, there needs to be a consensus on how to deal with the "16 x 9 Enhanced" checkbox... |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 3,197 |
| | Posted: | | | | Well, it seems to depend on the primary feature, as Skip explained it. I can live with that (although I will still hate it).  | | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
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| T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,733 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kinoniki: Quote:
Well, it seems to depend on the primary feature, as Skip explained it. I can live with that (although I will still hate it). It seems strange that we would consistently track (because we're forced to) the format of the DVD-video as being either NTSC or PAL, but not do the same for the "16 x 9 Enhanced" checkbox. Since both snippets of data are part of the video format, why not treat them the same? | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
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Well, it seems to depend on the primary feature, as Skip explained it. I can live with that (although I will still hate it).
It seems strange that we would consistently track (because we're forced to) the format of the DVD-video as being either NTSC or PAL, but not do the same for the "16 x 9 Enhanced" checkbox. Since both snippets of data are part of the video format, why not treat them the same? Simple, Ken probably overlooked it, nothing more. Don't make a bigger deal out of it than it is. Now that it's been pointed out, he will probably fix it in the next Beta, in the meantime we live with it. WOW Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
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| T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,733 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
Don't make a bigger deal out of it than it is. [...] in the meantime we live with it. Okay then. Would you mind telling us HOW to live with it? Case in point: do we check the box or not? Or is half of the userbase going to do it one way, and another half the other way, as usual, leaving the database an inconsistent mess with no way to fix it since both sides are convinced their way is the only right one? |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,197 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
It seems strange that we would consistently track (because we're forced to) the format of the DVD-video as being either NTSC or PAL, but not do the same for the "16 x 9 Enhanced" checkbox. Since both snippets of data are part of the video format, why not treat them the same? There is a fundamental difference to the data though. Anamorphic or not, it will not affect the universal playability of the disc, while PAL and NTSC might actually do just that, prevent you from playing the DVD on your player or display, even on some region free players. So at least in theory the data might be worth tracking for some people... | | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
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| Registered: April 3, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 1,998 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
do we check the box or not? Would the rules answer this question? Quote:
Sets containing the same film on multiple media types (such as a Blu-ray/DVD combo pack) are to be entered as a normal profile for the main media type (Blu-ray in this example), with all included media types checked. A combo which includes HD media (HD-DVD, Blu-ray) as well as DVD should use the details from the HD media in the main profile. However, you may add an additional profile by Disc ID for the DVD content and add this profile to the Box Set contents for the Blu-ray profile. |
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| Registered: April 14, 2007 | | Posts: 415 |
| | Posted: | | | | Great, so now we get carbon copy profiles for BD/DVD and DVD/BD with the exception of HD Slim vs Keep Case (and the cover images) ? |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,197 |
| | Posted: | | | | Clear as mud. First it refers to the "main media type" and tell us to use that. This could very well be DVD. Then it makes a 180 degree turn and tell us to always use the HD media for the main profile.  | | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
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| T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,733 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ninehours: Quote:
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do we check the box or not?
Would the rules answer this question?
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Sets containing the same film on multiple media types (such as a Blu-ray/DVD combo pack) are to be entered as a normal profile for the main media type (Blu-ray in this example), with all included media types checked. A combo which includes HD media (HD-DVD, Blu-ray) as well as DVD should use the details from the HD media in the main profile. However, you may add an additional profile by Disc ID for the DVD content and add this profile to the Box Set contents for the Blu-ray profile. Except for the fact that that would mean PAL/NTSC doesn't belong on the combo profile either, but the program forces it's inclusion (even when you try to leave it out of a contribution). |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 844 |
| | Posted: | | | | Its a pickle.
I like pickles. |
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| Registered: April 3, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,998 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
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do we check the box or not?
Would the rules answer this question?
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Sets containing the same film on multiple media types (such as a Blu-ray/DVD combo pack) are to be entered as a normal profile for the main media type (Blu-ray in this example), with all included media types checked. A combo which includes HD media (HD-DVD, Blu-ray) as well as DVD should use the details from the HD media in the main profile. However, you may add an additional profile by Disc ID for the DVD content and add this profile to the Box Set contents for the Blu-ray profile.
Except for the fact that that would mean PAL/NTSC doesn't belong on the combo profile either, but the program forces it's inclusion (even when you try to leave it out of a contribution). Yes i know this but as you say the programme forces this, it does not force you to tick the Anamorphic check box this is a user choice and the rules seem to say not to? |
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| Registered: April 7, 2007 | | Posts: 357 |
| | Posted: | | | | Since HD formats are never Anamorphic this can only refer to the DVD so it sort of makes sense to apply it if the DVD is anamorphic. It is not possible to select this for HD only profiles. Since the program allows it's selection after you add a DVD it would tend to indicate that it is an option. It makes no difference to me, any DVD copy of the main feature is used as a slightly better digital copy by me.
But if we take that rule literally instances where the extra items (Featurettes etc) are included in a seperate DVD would not get profiled and that would make a difference. | | | | Last edited: by Graveworm |
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| Registered: March 18, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,550 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Graveworm: Quote:
Since HD formats are never Anamorphic this can only refer to the DVD so it sort of makes sense to apply it if the DVD is anamorphic. It is not possible to select this for HD only profiles. Since the program allows it's selection after you add a DVD it would tend to indicate that it is an option. It makes no difference to me, any DVD copy of the main feature is used as a slightly better digital copy by me. Yes, but if that's OK then why not add the audio info as well? Obviously we shouldn't, so why should the video be any different? |
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| Registered: May 22, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,033 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting jmbox: Quote:
Actually, some releases are a DVD with bonus Blu-Ray, so the main feature will be anamorphic. Quoting bob9000: Quote:
I am also wondering if there is a way to identify (as in the case of the Disney releases) whether the BD or the DVD is primary. I guess it doesn't matter as long as the case type is correct... But I would like to get some sort of official word on how to handle NTSC/PAL and anamorphic when contributing this combo packs down the line. My thinking is we shouldn't unless the DVD is primary, but I will go along with whatever is decided. Actually, per the rules the hd media is always the primary. and as far as Disney's DVD + Blu-ray packs. These are really the same as the Blu-ray + DVD packs (the 2nd bonus disc is still a blu-ray) except packaged in a DVD case. The dvd releases have been delayed up to 7 weeks after the Blu-ray. It's basically a marketing ploy to get people to buy the Blu-ray that only have DVD. Personally I think it just adds more confusion. Anyway, I've had this discussion in the past and it seemed many didn't agree so I won't say any more about that but per the rules HD media is main Quote:
Sets containing the same film on multiple media types (such as a Blu-ray/DVD combo pack) are to be entered as a normal profile for the main media type (Blu-ray in this example), with all included media types checked. A combo which includes HD media (HD-DVD, Blu-ray) as well as DVD should use the details from the HD media in the main profile. However, you may add an additional profile by Disc ID for the DVD content and add this profile to the Box Set contents for the Blu-ray profile. bolding by me. also, notice the child profile is optional. Some people may not use it. Hence the reason data be captured in the main profile (like TV Seasons). Not saying I agree, just saying why it may be included. -Agrare | | | | Last edited: by Agrare |
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| Registered: December 10, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,004 |
| | Posted: | | | | Here's my issue: when I search for non-anamorphic widescreen DVDs, I don't want a bunch of results that aren't actually non-anamorphic widescreen DVDs. |
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