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We can't trust sellers for this sort of info. It's part of a template.
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I will accept your apology. There are several titles being released this way, major ones for the most part. I am not in the habit of posting inaccurate information. Am i sure? Boy, i can't say what i would like to.

I had seen different information, so I asked more details about what you had seen. Thanks for the picture.
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I had seen different information, so I asked more details about what you had seen.


Some nerve! 
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Then my apologies for misunderstanding, I hope you understand the implication of Are you certain about The Terminator though? Like i said I wouldn't have reported it otherwise. This is going to entertaining to see exactly what is meant by Fullscreen, several of the retailers are also reporting it as Pan & Scan, there are about 10 or 12 titles and all of them appear to be coming from MGM, Terminator, Hart's War(2.35), A Bridge Too Far(2.35), The Graduate, Planet of the Apes (2.35), Robocop (2.35), Rocky and Rollerball, to name just a few.

IF MGM is actually planning 4X3 Blu-Rays, I suspect there will be pardon my french...hell to pay for it. MGM has enough problems, right now. But even if they are planning 16X9 Fullscreens it won't be pretty.

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Then my apologies for misunderstanding, I hope you understand the implication of Are you certain about The Terminator though? Like i said I wouldn't have reported it otherwise. This is going to entertaining to see exactly what is meant by Fullscreen, several of the retailers are also reporting it as Pan & Scan, there are about 10 or 12 titles and all of them appear to be coming from MGM, Terminator, Hart's War(2.35), A Bridge Too Far(2.35), The Graduate, Planet of the Apes (2.35), Robocop (2.35), Rocky and Rollerball, to name just a few.

IF MGM is actually planning 4X3 Blu-Rays, I suspect there will be pardon my french...hell to pay for it. MGM has enough problems, right now. But even if they are planning 16X9 Fullscreens it won't be pretty.
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I believe Robocop is 1.66  isnt it??
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God, I had to look, you're right, scotty. You ARE a miracle worker.  

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Death to the black bars!  We can't have black bars taking up my valuable screen real-estate!  I went out and got myself a fancy HDTV and I still have those dang bars on the top and the bottom!  Zoom it in so I don't have to see em!  So what if some of the stuff on the side gets cut off?  Most of the action is in the center anyways!
















... not.
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I believe these are the new (repackaging) of existing MGM titles where they are including the DVD and BluRay but, this time in a DVD sized case.  Doubt that any of these titles will be remasters but, just simply repacking of existing material.

They may be reporting the DVD as fullscreen.
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I believe these are the new (repackaging) of existing MGM titles where they are including the DVD and BluRay but, this time in a DVD sized case.  Doubt that any of these titles will be remasters but, just simply repacking of existing material.

They may be reporting the DVD as fullscreen.

We'll have to wait and see, amigo.

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Read the DVDBeaver review:

http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film2/DVDReviews32/terminator_blu-ray.htm

Terminator - Video Aspect Ratio: 1.85:1

Terminator 2 - Video Aspect Ratio: 2.35:1

  Image : 6.5~8

"For better or worse, I decided to purchase Fox's "Ultimate Edition" from Japan about a year and a half ago.  It was an expensive whim.  I bought not only The Terminator, but also Alien, The Good, The Bad and The Ugly, Die Hard, The Silence of the Lambs, and Moulin Rouge in Japanese Ultimates all at once.  I had to know how they stacked up against the best Fox had to offer stateside.  Worse still, besides the cost of just under $40 each shipped, was the nagging feeling that these would all, sooner rather than later, be superceded by high-definition editions.  At the time, we were expecting the first High Definition DVDs to come out by summer.  Sure enough, The Terminator – the least good image but one (TGTB&TU) of the Japanese Ultimates - was the first to materialize in Blu-ray.  I made notes to myself at the time about the comparison between the Japanese and US SD editions.  Be warned that my observations were made referencing the image on a high quality 29 inch CRT"


"The first DVD of the original Terminator was a pretty dismal effort.  The second U.S. version was an improvement in every way; but the R2 (even though I have every reason to assume it was struck from the same master as the most recent R1) is – how shall I say it – the ultimate.  The relative absence of digital noise and other bothersome artifacts was palpable.  I would have thought that James Cameron's budget did not extend to a film stock that could survive this long, let alone capture image quality that can tell the difference between leather and vinyl, but here it is.  The image is sharp enough that it tells us more than we really want to know about the effects - with its cheap modeling of outdoor nighttime warfare in the future and, happily, brief flashes of rear projection - but we shouldn't hold this against the DVD."

"The Ultimate"!  Hmmm.  I have since let go of the US R1, so my remarks about comparisons to the Blu-ray will have to be put up against the R2; and since the R2 doesn't play in my BDP-S300, the BD will have to show its stuff against the Ayre DX-7 DVD player.  By the way, this R2 edition is no longer in print, so the whole thing is moot, but that has never stopped us Beavers in the past, so . . . having committed myself to feeling I was seeing this movie again for the first time a year and a half ago, I must now admit to déja-vu all over again for this Blu-ray experience.  It appears that the entire movie has been reconsidered, especially in terms of contrast: The R2, by comparison to the BD, looks even more two-dimensional than a typical SD.  Sharpness is another matter, and worth considering in more detail: There aren't a great many really sharp frames in this movie – mostly it is grainy and of indeterminate clarity.  The really sharp bits, such as the close-up of Sarah's pet iguana and the sequence of her in the jeep at the end just before she herself is photographed, come off only a little better in the BD.  [Since the R2/Ayre combo is better than the R1/S300, the BD would have a noticeable edge compared to the R1 still in print.]  No, it's in the majority of the movie's less than sharp image where the BD shows its stuff.  Keep in mind that, in addition to a more highly resolved image on the DVD, a significant advantage to high definition source material is the expectation that it will be played on high definition displays, meaning that there is nothing to scale, nothing to interpolate.  Fuzzy bits become even fuzzier when upscaled to 1080p from 480.  They remain merely fuzzy when no scaling is involved.  This is no small advantage, and is one of the more important reasons why BD manifests the dimensionality that it does.  Even with material as compromised as The Terminator, our mind relaxes as we watch, squirming, but squintless."
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Then my apologies for misunderstanding, I hope you understand the implication of Are you certain about The Terminator though? Like i said I wouldn't have reported it otherwise. This is going to entertaining to see exactly what is meant by Fullscreen, several of the retailers are also reporting it as Pan & Scan, there are about 10 or 12 titles and all of them appear to be coming from MGM, Terminator, Hart's War(2.35), A Bridge Too Far(2.35), The Graduate, Planet of the Apes (2.35), Robocop (2.35), Rocky and Rollerball, to name just a few.

IF MGM is actually planning 4X3 Blu-Rays, I suspect there will be pardon my french...hell to pay for it. MGM has enough problems, right now. But even if they are planning 16X9 Fullscreens it won't be pretty.

One would hope that, as this is about Blu-ray and 1080p, Fullscreen actually means the full HDTV screen, hence is 1.78:1. Except for OAR of 2.35:1 I actually wouldn't mind if they "blow up" 1.85:1 a little bit to get rid of the slivers of black.

On the good side, this may open up the Blu-ray market to the more casual users and therefore create a larger install base
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I believe Robocop is 1.66  isnt it??


At least it should be. The Criterion DVD had this aspect ration, but newer re-releases from MGM used a different master that had only a matted and slightly zoomed-in 1,78:1 (or 1,85:1, not sure) aspect ratio:

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http://www.caps-a-holic.com/vergleich.php?lang=en&vergleichID=52
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Achim:

It looks like the floodgates have opened up on Combos, just a rough guess but it looks like a third to half of the recent announcements i have seen involve BD combos.

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Death to the black bars!  We can't have black bars taking up my valuable screen real-estate!  I went out and got myself a fancy HDTV and I still have those dang bars on the top and the bottom!  Zoom it in so I don't have to see em!  So what if some of the stuff on the side gets cut off?  Most of the action is in the center anyways!
















... not.


You should have gone with a 2.35:1 constant height screen set up, and you'd never have to worry about horizontal black bars.  Didn't you say that you had a masking system?  All you'd need to do is close up the mask from the sides, depending on the AR of the movie you're watching!
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If you missed the sarcasm in my post, scroll down to the end. I'm firmly in the camp of leaving the OAR alone.

Yep, the masking system works quite well, although the projector w/50,000:1 contrast (native, not dynamic), and a very dark room combine to make some very very dark gray bars.  The masking system eliminates them entirely.

On the topic of constant height setup (assuming an anamorphic projector system), I honestly don't see the draw.  The digital scaling that goes along with them is something I try to avoid.  My screens have 1920x1080 pixels and so does the source for a reason.  Of course there are benefits, not least increased potential brightness.  For me though, they don't outweigh the negative.
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