From my point of view we have more than enough cast and credit options to enter, I am already not using the Make Up and Visual Effects guys, but sure, if people want to enter all that stuff and have the time for it, why not ?

As there will be options to only vote or accept the data I need, I see no reason to be against those suggestions.

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For contribution purposes, I would delete sound section, and art section (except Art Director). The program could allow to enter open credits for those who are interested, but those data would remain local.

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For contribution purposes, I would delete sound section, and art section (except Art Director). The program could allow to enter open credits for those who are interested, but those data would remain local.

As I have said before, Yves, if there is a user interested in that data, what right do you have to say no. I don't think you have any right to say that. Both Pete and myself have come up with proposals that allows users to Contribute the data, thus sharing is possible with other users who are also interested, AND we have made provisions for users to only update that data in which they have an interest. Thus the users can Contribute Sound and Art, and you can make your choice not to accept it...everybody wins. In short yhe database becomes more useful to ALL users, not just some or even the majority but ALL.

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For contribution purposes, I would delete sound section, and art section (except Art Director). The program could allow to enter open credits for those who are interested, but those data would remain local.

As I have said before, Yves, if there is a user interested in that data, what right do you have to say no. I don't think you have any right to say that.

I apologize for having dared give my opinion on a subject where opinions were requested... except mine (?)

My opinion is there is much more time spent by people who delete on their local unwished data than by people who enter that kind of crew. I cannot prove it, but nobody can prove the contrary.

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users wiil have to do a lot better than they are doing in documentation currently.

Reality check: there is no such thing as "documentation" when it comes to caterers, accountants, sign writers, carpenters, best boys and gaffers. If we're going to open up the online database to include possibly EVERYONE listed in the crew credits, then you can forget about documentation on birth years and common names. It just doesn't exist. It's hard enough already for lesser-known actors and the likes of sound editors or make-up artists, but once we go even deeper, the entire idea of "documentation" is really going to come to a grinding halt. Don't say I didn't warn you!

I don't mind open credits but as long as it's done on a per profile basis I think it's a waste of time and work. We need a system that spreads the good stuff around instead of copying and pasting between profiles in different localites. Everyone is working on their little island and communication is still by ship, once a year. Hard to believe in the digital age...

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For contribution purposes, I would delete sound section, and art section (except Art Director). The program could allow to enter open credits for those who are interested, but those data would remain local.

As I have said before, Yves, if there is a user interested in that data, what right do you have to say no. I don't think you have any right to say that.

I apologize for having dared give my opinion on a subject where opinions were requested... except mine (?)

My opinion is there is much more time spent by people who delete on their local unwished data than by people who enter that kind of crew. I cannot prove it, but nobody can prove the contrary.

Yves:

Have you read anything that Pete and i have said. It appears not so let me explain it again for you. In either the Full or the Expanded Proposal the Contributor would be allowed to Contribute as much as he wishes within the Rules.You as the Updater would not have to delete ANYTHING, you would make a one time choice as to what data you want to accept, you would also have the ability to Override that decision on a title by title basis (not unlike the Lock system). You would not have to remove anything ever. I don't believe this would in any way interfere with your Contributiosn either because the only data that you would be Contributing would be that data which you have an interest in.

This not about your opinion. I have said that I don't believe that i have the right to say no to any users desire to ADD data to the database if it is within the rules and if a way can be found to accommodate that desire, which in the case of more data is something that is down the road. You believe that you have the right to say no to such users and i am just asking how you figured that. You said that you would do away with Sound and most of Art, what about those users that want that data and there are plenty, do you just say tough luck you can't do that under your wish. I only say that when it is outside the Rules, there are users that want Set Decoration (Art Department), there are users that want Casting data (I know of several), there are people who Sound Effects, teh rest of Sound data (ADR, Voices, etc.), there are people who want Titling data.

I don't know how much additional I would deal with personally, probably some, but no way would I be doing Full datasets. But if it was implemented as I described and i have full control over what I want to accept and what I am not interested, then why should I tell someone No, when I am not harmed in any way, in fact I would argue that the database would benefit from the extra data, even IF I was not interested in ANY of it. It ios two very different points of view to be certain, Yves, but your way does not seem productive to me to the Community at large, which is ALL users, not just you or me. That's why your comment quite frankly I find to be shocking.

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users wiil have to do a lot better than they are doing in documentation currently.

Reality check: there is no such thing as "documentation" when it comes to caterers, accountants, sign writers, carpenters, best boys and gaffers. If we're going to open up the online database to include possibly EVERYONE listed in the crew credits, then you can forget about documentation on birth years and common names. It just doesn't exist. It's hard enough already for lesser-known actors and the likes of sound editors or make-up artists, but once we go even deeper, the entire idea of "documentation" is really going to come to a grinding halt. Don't say I didn't warn you!

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Let me ask you a serious question. Let's say Ken decided to open it up to ALL Crew data. I recognize the issue you are describing. But are YOU going to try and tell me that you are really interested in how many films a guy was a Grip on, or an accountant. If you are you much sicker than thought. Lame attempt at humor. I think in reality all that we would need to be able to do is separate Tim Brown (hypothetical) the well-known Director and Tim Brown the Accountant. Now sure it is possible that at some point a Grip will become a well-known Director and if that happens that will documented somewhere, just like the kid in the mailroom that rises to become the CEO...it does happen and when it does you always will be able find out that this CEO started as a mailroom clerk. I thin sometimes much to much is made of linking. It definitely has its place but it can be taken to extremes. How many movies was John Smith (unknown) a Dancer in....I don't care.        

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