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| Registered: May 9, 2007 |  Posts: 1,536 |
| | Posted: | | | | Soon, they'll start handing out numbers, probably in hex like Disc IDs.  | | | | Hans |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Taro: Quote:
Quoting Woola:
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I think you missed the point, my friend. I don't care about your claim, there is no place on the planet that i am aware that controls naming bu force of LAW, names remain something that is probably the most personal possession any individual has, and culture or not each individual is in total control of how his OWN name is to be parsed.
Actually, a lot of European countries as well as Japan regulate names by law. A person is free to choose his or her name, but it needs to be approved by a commission in countries like Belgium, France, Netherlands, Japan, etc.
That means that people are free to choose, as long as their name doesn't go against the applicable laws.
On example that comes to mind is a Japanese couple that wanted to give their child a name that had the character "akuma" in it, which means "devil". The name got rejected because that character can't be used in a name in Japan. That's why, when I see that character in a Japanese name, I'm sure it must be a pseudonym.
For certain of those countries, there even exist listings of acceptable names, which are publicized and maintained up to date by the Ministry of Domestic Affairs. Wow, logical Taro, but just goes against the grain.  Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| | Registered: May 8, 2007 | | Posts: 824 |
| | Posted: | | | | I love how some people just have to be the high and mighty ones with the final answers, it's almost comical how someone who doesn't even speak French tries to show how his knowledge is superior to that of a native French speaker who is fluent in both French and English. | | | | 99.9% of all cat plans consist only of "Step 1." |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 5,734 |
| | Posted: | | | | Would you agree, that Jean-Claude Forest (http://www.hollywoodcomics.com/forestbio.html) should be parsed Jean Claude // Forest, if he is credited unhyphenated?
contribution #5-014437-804136
Love, bbbbb | | | | Don't confuse while the film is playing with when the film is played. [Ken Cole, DVD Profiler Architect] |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting bbbbb: Quote:
Would you agree, that Jean-Claude Forest (http://www.hollywoodcomics.com/forestbio.html) should be parsed Jean Claude // Forest, if he is credited unhyphenated?
contribution #5-014437-804136
Love, bbbbb Though I would for my local use only Jean-Claude//Forest, I think that per the rules data is Jean-Claude//Forest, credited as Jean Claude Forest. | | | | Images from movies |
|   | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Keep in mind that Mr. Forest is credited only ONCE in our database, as "Jean Claude Forest". Since there's only one credit, how he's credited that one time (no hyphen) is by definition his common name. So there can be no use of "credited as" here. |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 5,734 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
Quoting bbbbb:
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Would you agree, that Jean-Claude Forest (http://www.hollywoodcomics.com/forestbio.html) should be parsed Jean Claude // Forest, if he is credited unhyphenated?
contribution #5-014437-804136
Love, bbbbb
Though I would for my local use only Jean-Claude//Forest, I think that per the rules data is Jean-Claude//Forest, credited as Jean Claude Forest. Why Jean-Claude Forest? According to the CLT he is written with hyphen in the only movie Barbarella. And that is wrong. | | | | Don't confuse while the film is playing with when the film is played. [Ken Cole, DVD Profiler Architect] |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting bbbbb: Quote:
Why Jean-Claude Forest? According to the CLT he is written with hyphen in the only movie Barbarella. And that is wrong. Just because this is his real name. CLT gives "jean-claude forest" is credited in the following 2 titles (8 profiles) : ... and "jean claude forest" is credited in the following 2 titles (6 profiles) : ... This example clearly shows why I wrote in another thread that bad data per the rules are generally correct data per normal life...  | | | | Images from movies | | | | Last edited: by surfeur51 |
| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
Just because this is his real name. Even though I agree with you that it leads to ridiculous entries now and then, Ken has been very clear in that we're not after "real" names. He's got ONE credit in our database, and it doesn't include the hyphen. Now you and I may know that that credit should have included a hyphen, but since it's not there, we can't use a "common" name that is never ever used within the DVD Profiler universe. As for the CLT: yes, there are some incorrect IMDb-mined entries for the same film as well, but they're all wrong, and shouldn't be considered. He should simply be entered as Jean Claude Forest, because that's the only name variant he's ever been credited with. I won't express an opinion on how to parse it, though.  | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 1,328 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Woola: Quote:
there is no place on the planet that i am aware that controls naming bu force of LAW, Korea does too as far as DVDP is concerned. Although they don't control how you are named, since 2006 they have enforced by law, how you are allowed to romanize your name on official documents. It must be according to the Revised Romanization of Korean (except family name or surname). | | | | My Home Theater | | | | Last edited: by xradman |
| | Registered: February 23, 2009 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,580 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting xradman: Quote:
Quoting Woola:
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there is no place on the planet that i am aware that controls naming bu force of LAW,
Korea does too as far as DVDP is concerned. Although they don't control how you are named, but since 2006 they have enforced by law, how you are allowed to romanize your name on official documents. It must be according to the Revised Romanization of Korean (except family name or surname). In my humble opinion, if there is an official romanization method for Korean, it should be included in the DVDP rules. That would be one step closer to eliminiating random romanization of Asian names. | | | Blu-ray collection
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| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Even though I agree with you that it leads to ridiculous entries now and then, Ken has been very clear in that we're not after "real" names. He's got ONE credit in our database, and it doesn't include the hyphen. In this case, we have only one movie, but two credits: Front credits with Jean Claude Forest : Forum Moderator: No nudity pleaseand end credits with Jean-Claude Forest :  When we can avoid "ridiculous" entries, why jump on them ? | | | | Images from movies | | | | Last edited: by Forum Moderator |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
When we can avoid "ridiculous" entries, why jump on them ? We have to go by the allowable profiler credit. Since Artistic Consultant isn't an allowed entry, we can't use the name associated with it. It is unfortunate that the person/people who entered the credits weren't consistent. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Woola: Quote:
In reading tim's post on this i was struck by his apparent ummm cultural disappointment, which I am afraid I don't understand. Setting aside that it is Susan//Saint James, I have to wonder Susan/Saint/ James or Susan//Saint James they appear the same except for the different COLOR of the type, I presume that Tim is not Susan saint James so his apparent personal sadness leaves me confused, and even more to the point since the argument would be one of accuracy (which as it relates to the data is fine) but to sound like there is something personal going on is just too strange for me. I am not going to send her any cards, I have never interviewed her nor do I expect to, so the personal investment that some seem to attach to this question is just way too confusing.
Skip  I don't want to speak for T!M, but I don't believe it was cultural disappointment. His disappointment is with the lack of direction and the fact that these names will not link. While the CLT ignores parsing, the program doesn't. If I have a film with 'Susan/ /Saint James' and a film with 'Susan/Saint/James', double clicking on one will not give me the film with the other. If the program would use the display name, like the CLT does, this whole parsing argument would be rendered moot. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
It is unfortunate that the person/people who entered the credits weren't consistent. What is unfortunate is to have rules that were elaborated with infinite nonsense, that lead people to have to contribute data that everyone knows to be crap. This discussion just strengthens my position to keep everything local and no more participate to the huge mess of the online with contributions propagating bad (in normal life) data. | | | | Images from movies |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 5,734 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
Quoting T!M:
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Even though I agree with you that it leads to ridiculous entries now and then, Ken has been very clear in that we're not after "real" names. He's got ONE credit in our database, and it doesn't include the hyphen.
In this case, we have only one movie, but two credits: Three. There's also "Screenplay in collaboration with ... jean claude forest" in the opening credits (unhyphenated). Quote:
When we can avoid "ridiculous" entries, why jump on them ? You are totally misssing the point. We can't avoid parsing. There is no need to discuss the parsing of names we do not include at all. And back to the topic: it is sufficiently documented now, that Jean(-)Claude is a first name. | | | | Don't confuse while the film is playing with when the film is played. [Ken Cole, DVD Profiler Architect] |
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