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| Registered: March 29, 2007 |  Posts: 410 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Jubal: Quote:
AGAIN, I thought this was settled long ago.
Skip Im fixing all my COO and I find some wierd stuff so better to ask before do a massive submition  |
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| Registered: May 26, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,879 |
| | Posted: | | | | Definitely New Zealand. And we definitely need more countries (for instance, I have films from 11 countries that aren't listed). And we need a co-production option -> even if it was as simple as the option of "Multiple" in the menu. One problem I find is that I can't find the spot in the Contribution Rules that specifies what you are supposed to do. Yes, I understand that the field is for the home country of the production company. But I can't find it in the rules where that is stated, so if we were to enable the option of adding multiple countries, or an entry for "Multiple" we should have a written rule that specifies that the field is for actual production companies rather than financing companies. Or have I missed where the rule is and can someone point it out. If so, please. Sometimes I miss things right under my nose.  | | | If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Danae Cassandra: Quote:
Or have I missed where the rule is and can someone point it out. If so, please. Sometimes I miss things right under my nose. You haven't missed a thing, the CoO field is not mentioned in the rules. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
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| Registered: April 4, 2007 |  Posts: 887 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting dee1959jay: Quote:
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Yep, either that or implement a checkbox solution like we already have for Subtitles.
How would that help with my concern?
Very simple: by eliminating any need to prioritise the countries - which was your concern as I understood it. With a checkbox solution, countries would simply come in alphabetical order. Take a look at the Subtitle section of the Edit Profile screen to see what I mean. No, my concern was that we absolutely NEED to have ranked countries. Otherwise you'll end up changing to British production which had a couple co-producers (aka credit givers) to a Australia/Belgium/France/Germany/Switzerland/UK production and you won't be able to decipher this list at all.  | | | | - Jan |
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 6,730 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hydr0x: Quote:
Australia/Belgium/France/Germany/Switzerland/UK production and you won't be able to decipher this list at all. I think I know what you mean, but your example supports dee1959jay's argument, it's simply an alphabetical sorting of countries.  | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
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| Registered: March 19, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 6,018 |
| | Posted: | | | | @hydr0x:
I now understand that prioritising countries is what you actually want. Whereas I acknowledge a checkbox solution will not support that, I can't see how a system to prioritise countries could ever work. Defining criteria for such prioritisation, and then doing the research and documenting the results in a verifiable way would constitute a complete nightmare. At least that's what I think. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 2,692 |
| | Posted: | | | | As others have said - this was fully discussed and agreed when the films came out.
It's New Zealand - and on the few occasions when someone has tried to change this to US, it's been quickly corrected back to New Zealand.
The poll is irreleavent - we don't decide factual data on the basis of polls. | | | | Paul |
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| Registered: March 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,018 |
| | Posted: | | | | Completely agree, Paul. Meanwhile I'm curious what the one voter who voted "Other" thinks it should be...  |
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| Registered: April 4, 2007 | | Posts: 887 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting dee1959jay: Quote:
@hydr0x:
I now understand that prioritising countries is what you actually want. Whereas I acknowledge a checkbox solution will not support that, I can't see how a system to prioritise countries could ever work. Defining criteria for such prioritisation, and then doing the research and documenting the results in a verifiable way would constitute a complete nightmare. At least that's what I think. Indeed, which is why we have to live with the one country only solution. Priorities don't work and a pure listing renders the field useless (remember, we can sort and filter by it, and also do statistics). @goblins I wrote them down in alphabetical order on purpose  | | | | - Jan |
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| Registered: March 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,018 |
| | Posted: | | | | I agree priorities won't work, but I also think there are plenty of cases where a choice of any single CoO would be arbitrary, e.g. quite a few franco-italian productions. So I disagree that we "have to live with the one country only solution". |
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| Registered: April 4, 2007 | | Posts: 887 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting dee1959jay: Quote:
I agree priorities won't work, but I also think there are plenty of cases where a choice of any single CoO would be arbitrary, e.g. quite a few franco-italian productions. So I disagree that we "have to live with the one country only solution". So what do you propose if neither priorities nor one country? Do you really want a simple list? See my example above. You seriously see THAT as the lesser evil than not being able to enter true 50/50 coproductions? | | | | - Jan |
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| Registered: March 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,018 |
| | Posted: | | | | Yes I do. If production companies from a great many countries were INDEED involved in the production of the movie, DVDP should reflect that. Any choice for a maximum number of countries would be arbitrary. So we'll simply have to agree to disagree then.
I do think though that CoO should finally be covered in the rules, explaining when and when not to enter a country as CoO (e.g. Production company YES, merely funding NO). | | | | Last edited: by dee1959jay |
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| Registered: April 4, 2007 | | Posts: 887 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting dee1959jay: Quote:
Yes I do. If production companies from a great many countries were INDEED involved in the production of the movie, DVDP should reflect that. Any choice for a maximum number of countries would be arbitrary. So we'll simply have to agree to disagree then.
I do think though that CoO should finally be covered in the rules, explaining when and when not to enter a country as CoO (e.g. Production company YES, merely funding NO). And how would you verify who produced and who funded? Rely on IMDB? | | | | - Jan |
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| Registered: March 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,018 |
| | Posted: | | | | And how would you decide which one country was the one to enter in DVDP? Rely on IMDB? | | | | Last edited: by dee1959jay |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hydr0x: Quote:
And how would you verify who produced and who funded? Rely on IMDB? For American funded films, this is usually pretty easy as credits have a hierarchy... New Line Cinema presents (funding/distribution) A WingNut Films production (primary production) ...if the credits include an "in association with' credit, those are the secondary production companies. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 5,734 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting dee1959jay: Quote:
Meanwhile I'm curious what the one voter who voted "Other" thinks it should be... New Zealand. By the way, I agree with the checkbox solution, alphabetical, no priority. It is globalization, baby. | | | | Don't confuse while the film is playing with when the film is played. [Ken Cole, DVD Profiler Architect] |
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