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Wanting to do it right, but getting it wrong
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantW0m6at
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Registered: April 17, 2007
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Rather than go for the US release, it might pay to go for a nearby country's release as it's quite possible that those countries will have identical releases to yours, only differing in locality (which is rather arbitrary).  I usually leave the US profiles alone unless I'm raiding a profile for cast/crew info (to use as a basis to check the end credits against).  You can always modify a profile from one locality to suit your needs, and get cast/crew from elsewhere (for your local this might be sufficient, but if you're contributing you'll need to verify).

Also be aware that if you have the UPC and locality correct locally, you can check for updates.  This means you can copy the US profile locally and get to changing the details for submission in your own time, and if someone else does an update in the meantime you will be offered that data the next time you refresh your profiles.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributordee1959jay
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@ kutch:

Here's a guide on how to get it right. It's called "cloning".
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantJayce
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I am in nearly the same situation.

Yesterday I contributed 10 profiles. Most of them were already contributed with another ean and they are almost entirely equals as there was only a change in the distributor.
So I cloned the profiles, change the ean, made new scans of the covers, corrected some mistakes in overview, removed SRP and release date when I didn't know the new ones.

The first 3 were rejected with "Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were non-specific. Please specify the exact source for your changes. (e.g. "Credits from film end credit list", "Previous version UPC#1111111111")"

So I sent it again with commentary "from previous ean : 3-259190-327993" as it was asked to me.
The 3 were accepted but the others 7 were declined for the same reason.
What more is needed ?
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantWhite Pongo, Jr.
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I am in nearly the same situation.

Yesterday I contributed 10 profiles. Most of them were already contributed with another ean and they are almost entirely equals as there was only a change in the distributor.
So I cloned the profiles, change the ean, made new scans of the covers, corrected some mistakes in overview, removed SRP and release date when I didn't know the new ones.

The first 3 were rejected with "Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were non-specific. Please specify the exact source for your changes. (e.g. "Credits from film end credit list", "Previous version UPC#1111111111")"

So I sent it again with commentary "from previous ean : 3-259190-327993" as it was asked to me.
The 3 were accepted but the others 7 were declined for the same reason.
What more is needed ?


What else did the NO voters say?

However, different releases of the same DVD (even from the same locality) can be different DVDs (thus different audio tracks, subtitles, region, special features...) in different cases (case type, overview, media company, etc....).

I would look for releases with the same Disc ID as the DVD I own, because they are most likely to be exactly the same DVD in a different case.
-- Enry
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There was no voters, as it is a new contribution, it was simply declined by dvdprofiler team.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributortweeter
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There was no voters, as it is a new contribution, it was simply declined by dvdprofiler team.

Did the cast from the copied disc contain Uncredited?  That might cause an automatic rejection as they need specific documentation.  If so you might want to remove them.  It wouldn't hurt to review the profile cast/crew against the film credits to make sure they are correct.

If they are good it shouldn't take but a moment for each disc.
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There was no voters, as it is a new contribution, it was simply declined by dvdprofiler team.

Did the cast from the copied disc contain Uncredited?  That might cause an automatic rejection as they need specific documentation.  If so you might want to remove them.  It wouldn't hurt to review the profile cast/crew against the film credits to make sure they are correct.

If they are good it shouldn't take but a moment for each disc.



You say you don't have a scanner yet supplied cover scans from other contribution...that would be reason enough for the screeners to decline a contribution straight away.
You would be better of varifying all crew / cast, SRP, Studios in your submission and since not having a scanner either find a local e-tailer who has promotional pics on their website (copy those) or use no cover art at all for the submission.

Steve
Edit: Sorry Tweeter meant to quote Jayce not you
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile Registrantkarstenp
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@ kutch:

Here's a guide on how to get it right. It's called "cloning".


Please also look on my notes:
Here'
(http://www.dougweb.org/dvdpro/kb/index.php?title=Talk:Cloning_Profiles)


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DISCID: will definitely be different if change of region, may be same within region(s), hence: check!
COVERS: will most often be different if change of region, may be same within a region, hence: check!

Reason: We often see same (exactly!) release in different countries, eg. in Scandinavia. The only difference is that the rules states we will only "extract" Overview from corresponding locality, if present in more languages.

Eg. 7332431014275, 7332431007390, 5706141742773 among others!

When cloning these I will have to change locality, SRP (at least currency), and probably overview.
DISCID might be same in multiple contries and even regions. (Often seen in Music-DVDs!)




PS! I remember voting "no", and explaining why, at least a couple of times the last week, where cloning was done without proper "localizing", ie. overview was in english, not as on cover.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantWhite Pongo, Jr.
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There was no voters, as it is a new contribution, it was simply declined by dvdprofiler team.


Of course, silly of me for asking! 
But did you include sources for all your information? What did you exactly say in your Contribution Notes? Did you just write something like "from previous EAN :###" and that's it?
-- Enry
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There was no voters, as it is a new contribution, it was simply declined by dvdprofiler team.

Did the cast from the copied disc contain Uncredited?  That might cause an automatic rejection as they need specific documentation.  If so you might want to remove them.  It wouldn't hurt to review the profile cast/crew against the film credits to make sure they are correct.

If they are good it shouldn't take but a moment for each disc.



You say you don't have a scanner yet supplied cover scans from other contribution...that would be reason enough for the screeners to decline a contribution straight away.
You would be better of varifying all crew / cast, SRP, Studios in your submission and since not having a scanner either find a local e-tailer who has promotional pics on their website (copy those) or use no cover art at all for the submission.

Steve
Edit: Sorry Tweeter meant to quote Jayce not you


But Jayce  wrote "made new scans of the covers, ".
It's kutch who said "I dont have a scanner". 
-- Enry
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantWhite Pongo, Jr.
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There was no voters, as it is a new contribution, it was simply declined by dvdprofiler team.

Did the cast from the copied disc contain Uncredited?  That might cause an automatic rejection as they need specific documentation.  If so you might want to remove them.  It wouldn't hurt to review the profile cast/crew against the film credits to make sure they are correct.

If they are good it shouldn't take but a moment for each disc.


I believe that cloning from another DVD with same Disc ID, if available in the main database, and stating that in the contribution notes, would help 
-- Enry
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantJayce
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There was no voters, as it is a new contribution, it was simply declined by dvdprofiler team.


Of course, silly of me for asking! 
But did you include sources for all your information? What did you exactly say in your Contribution Notes? Did you just write something like "from previous EAN :###" and that's it?


Yes, that's it.
If I changed the SRP, or Release date, I also added the sources.

ex : This one contains uncredited cast, but it was accepted once (same country, same editor, different distributor), why do I have to find sources I don't know ?

This one does not contains uncredited and was rejected as well.

I don't know if the disc id's are the same, but each time I inserted my own disc id.


No offense, but I find it more and more difficult to contribute to dvdprofiler. I find less profiles than before when I have new DVDs. Maybe it's not a problem in US, but in other countries if the rare posters are rejected again and again, they'll stop doing so.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantWhite Pongo, Jr.
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ex : This one



For one, you didn't state the source of the cover images.
You cannot clone that! 
-- Enry
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantJayce
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The source is a scan of the cover.
Isn't that obvious ?

I never mentionned the source for the cover so far.
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The source is a scan of the cover.
Isn't that obvious ?

I never mentionned the source for the cover so far.


It's not so obvious. There are quite a few profiles in the database with wrong cover images.
If you scanned your covers, absolutely do mention it! 

Moreover, you said you checked the overviews. From the back cover, right? Well, I would mention that as well.
I hope you also checked something else, like the audio tracks and subtitles and so on, that vary with releases. If so, let the screeners know what you checked and where from.

Let the screeners understand you are doing a good job  and not just blindly cloning everything. 
-- Enry
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The source is a scan of the cover.
Isn't that obvious ?

I never mentionned the source for the cover so far.


There really is no such thing as obvious. There is not many pieces of data that can only come from one source. The only ones that pops in my mind is the Disc IDs and Boxset Content. Other then that the screeners (and voters with updates) can't read your mind. You really should use full and concise notes if you want to be sure to get your contribution accepted.

Here is an example of recent notes I left...

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- Corrected Running Time by adding all episodes together. Running Time on case is actually correct...

Disc 1: 176:06
Disc 2: 172:11
Disc 3: 173:40
Disc 4: 169.36
Total:  691:33 = 692

- Removed Scene Access... no menu option for scenes with a feature (episodes) per rules.

- Boxset Content added... Child profiles made and submitted
- Disc Info added
- Cast List from opening/ending credits within episode dividers... Character names from credits except main cast list.. those from booklet provided with set.
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