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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 3,830 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
Rules say "Overviews should match the back of the DVD case exactly".
So I think it would not be correct to add a blank line. If it is not possible to reproduce exactly the overview, the best is to post in the features request. Waiting for a new version or new rules, it would be better not to contribute data that go against the rules.
Quoting Ken Cole in another thread :
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Although no director or producer is listed, the rules stand, so please leave these off from the contribution.
Here it would be : Although indentation is not yet possible, the rules stand, so please leave these off from the contribution.
Just an opinion  It is more then an opinion, you are just rebellious  you are comparing apples with pears (data versus text format) | | | | Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions. |
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| Registered: June 12, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,665 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Giga Wizard: Quote:
If there is no blanc line between the paragraphs you should not enter one. You could ask this as a feature that the program formats a blanc line between each paragraph. We should not be formatting text to replicate layout. I don't add blank lines to replicate layout. I do it to make the text readable. | | | | Bad movie? You're soaking in it! |
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  | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 8,669 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Forget_the_Rest: Quote:
If there's a gap between the paragraphs on the cover I separate them by a blank line, if there's not then I don't. I do the same - for overviews without indents, that is. For those WITH indents, I find myself encountering both profiles with and without blank lines substituting them. Based on the results on this poll, I will now be "converting" the use of indents by inserting blank lines between the paragraphs, and I'll be sure to refer to this thread to show the overwhelming support for it. I'll treat overviews without indents the same as before, of course. | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,394 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Forget_the_Rest: Quote:
If there's a gap between the paragraphs on the cover I separate them by a blank line, if there's not then I don't. Do you wrap the text the same way it appears on the cover, too? Or do you let it flow and fill the space based on the size of text in the paragraph? First Line Indent is one way of indicating a new paragraph. Adding a blank line between paragraphs is another. We cannot do the former for the first line in the Overview, so we will never be able to make the overview look like the first line of the cover if it is indented. What is the purpose of having an overview if not to provide a readable description of what's on the DVD. Even with an artificial 5 space indent at the beginning of a paragraph, text will still run together and not be readable. Look at the Contribution Rules. Ken uses a space between paragraphs because it's easier to read it that way. What is wrong with doing the same for the Overview? | | | Another Ken (not Ken Cole)
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 3,830 |
| | Posted: | | | | In both cases you are adding blank lines (who are not there) for readability, if it is readability you're after, you could ask Ken this format feature in the overview: blank line between paragraphs. | | | | Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 2,692 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Giga Wizard: Quote:
In both cases you are adding blank lines (who are not there) for readability, if it is readability you're after, you could ask Ken this format feature in the overview: blank line between paragraphs. I'm not clear what you are saying? Are you against adding lines for readability (it sounds like this)? And if so I assume you are wanting the opposite - i.e. an exact representation of the overview. In which case - why did you criticize surfeur when he said exactly this? | | | | Paul |
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| Registered: July 31, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,506 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting kdh1949: Quote:
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If there's a gap between the paragraphs on the cover I separate them by a blank line, if there's not then I don't.
Do you wrap the text the same way it appears on the cover, too? Or do you let it flow and fill the space based on the size of text in the paragraph? Because different people have different resolutions and/or layouts, it would be impossible to get it to look exactly the same (for the online). | | | | Last edited: by Ardos |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 1,777 |
| | Posted: | | | | Why in the world would anybody want to make an exact duplicate of the text when we already have a picture of it in the profile?
Blank lines between paragraphs, please. Let's at least make the data legible. | | | | Last edited: by mdnitoil |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 3,830 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting pauls42: Quote:
I'm not clear what you are saying? Quote:
Are you against adding lines for readability (it sounds like this)? And if so I assume you are wanting the opposite - i.e. an exact representation of the overview. In which case - why did you criticize surfeur when he said exactly this? I'm against users adding non existing blank lines to the overview. If users want another format in the text overview: blank lines between paragraphs for readability: ask Ken. Someone adds a blanc line that is not there another will remove it: ping pong: should not be a user issue. Quote:
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Rules say "Overviews should match the back of the DVD case exactly".
So I think it would not be correct to add a blank line. If it is not possible to reproduce exactly the overview implying again that rules are not workable, ... i'm replying that he's against the rules (rebellious) and that he is comparing apples with pears (data versus text format), it is a saying 'comparing apples with pears' it means you should not compare those, (data versus text format) co-directors, co-producers against a text layout, those are different things. | | | | Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,394 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Forget_the_Rest: Quote:
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If there's a gap between the paragraphs on the cover I separate them by a blank line, if there's not then I don't.
Do you wrap the text the same way it appears on the cover, too? Or do you let it flow and fill the space based on the size of text in the paragraph?
Because different people have different resolutions and/or layouts, it would be impossible to get it to look exactly the same (for the online). Then you okay with an overview that isn't an exact copy of what's on the box cover. So it's only a matter of degree as to what you are willing to accept. | | | Another Ken (not Ken Cole)
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,394 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Giga Wizard: Quote:
I'm against users adding non existing blank lines to the overview. If users want another format in the text overview: blank lines between paragraphs for readability: ask Ken. Someone adds a blanc line that is not there another will remove it: ping pong: should not be a user issue. Simple solution. Rule (in overview section): Insert a blank line between paragraphs of text.No pingponging unless user doesn't obey the rule. Word processors handle this by having the space between paragraphs greater than space between lines (e.g., space after a paragraph stop is 6 point greater than one after a word-wrapped line). It's a fact that it is easier to read text when there is extra vertical space between paragraphs. Besides, this has been the de facto practice for as long as I've been using Profiler. | | | Another Ken (not Ken Cole)
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| Registered: July 31, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,506 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting kdh1949: Quote:
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If there's a gap between the paragraphs on the cover I separate them by a blank line, if there's not then I don't.
Do you wrap the text the same way it appears on the cover, too? Or do you let it flow and fill the space based on the size of text in the paragraph?
Because different people have different resolutions and/or layouts, it would be impossible to get it to look exactly the same (for the online).
Then you okay with an overview that isn't an exact copy of what's on the box cover. So it's only a matter of degree as to what you are willing to accept. It's nothing to do with what I'm willing to accept, it's a simple impossibility for the online to have it match exactly for everyone. |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 3,830 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting kdh1949: Quote:
Rule (in overview section): Insert a blank line between paragraphs of text.
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No pingponging unless user doesn't obey the rule. Why a rule, that can be broken or has to be verified everytime. Program solution: Paragraph / Paragraph as the program(mer) designer want it to show in the program. There are already enough rules to follow. | | | | Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions. |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 168 |
| | Posted: | | | | Though I chose "substitute the tabs for empty lines between the paragraphs" because that's how it would probably end up in my local, I'd have preferred a 3rd choice really.
That would be to not bother at all trying to reproduce indents. Regardless of indents present or not, if there is an extra line between paragraphs on the cover add one, otherwise move on to the next paragraph. At least as far as contributed data is concerned. Depending on word wrap and the screen size of the Overview field on whatever template you're using and how all that affects the length of the last text line of the preceding paragraph, readablility is going to vary.
As was alluded to by others, I didn't think we were striving for an exact replication of the back cover. If I need that I'm either going to pick the cover up and look at it or look at the rear cover scan.
I can see it now - an overview on the back cover with both indents and an extra line between them vs. another overview with just indented paragraphs but no extra lines between them. According to what I'm seeing proposed here, would the first example require insertion of 1 non-existant extra line between the paragraphs along with another for the 'real' extra line on the cover; while in the second scenario we'd insert just the 1 non-existant line? ...and then quibble over the distiction when voting on such a submission?
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,394 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Giga Wizard: Quote:
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Rule (in overview section): Insert a blank line between paragraphs of text.
>8 >8
No pingponging unless user doesn't obey the rule.
Why a rule, that can be broken or has to be verified everytime. Program solution: Paragraph / Paragraph as the program(mer) designer want it to show in the program. There are already enough rules to follow. I like your suggestion in the Contribution Rules forum about having the software do the formatting. Let Profiler add extra space after a paragraph ends. This would also address MtnMike's real concern about a mish-mash of user created styles. | | | Another Ken (not Ken Cole)
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,692 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Giga Wizard: Quote:
I'm against users adding non existing blank lines to the overview. If users want another format in the text overview: blank lines between paragraphs for readability: ask Ken. Someone adds a blanc line that is not there another will remove it: ping pong: should not be a user issue.
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Rules say "Overviews should match the back of the DVD case exactly".
So I think it would not be correct to add a blank line. If it is not possible to reproduce exactly the overview
But what surfeur said is that you shouldn't add blank lines if they are not there in the original. Which is what you are saying. You are both saying the same thing. I think this may be an example of differing background/original languages | | | | Paul |
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