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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,372 |
| | Posted: | | | | So now because I don't transfer a dead, obsolete program with me when I get a new machine I am stupid.   You're a real piece of work. |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Thanks Goodguy,  that piece of code works great and doesn't require the FORE thought to upload to Intervocative all the DVDs you were thinking of buying in the future!  |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | You're interpretation, Rick. I didn't call you stupid or even imply it. Methinks thou are a trifle touchy, amigo.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,029 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
Thanks Goodguy, that piece of code works great and doesn't require the FORE thought to upload to Intervocative all the DVDs you were thinking of buying in the future! You're welcome. Or should that be "boo boo"? Noise/signal calculation failed with DIV0 error as usual.  | | | | Matthias |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Unicus is incorrect. ALL of the old (uncredited) dsata prior to July 2005 was indeed GRANDFATHERED in by Ken Cole. Do not simply copy such data over to a new Profile unless you have verifed the data and can provide documentation to support the inclusion of any such data. Sorry Skip but Ken never said anything was grandfathered in. What he said was: Quoting Ken Cole from rules chat on 11-12-05: Quote:
any steps we can take to seamlessly reduce the chance of taking data from them would be good but there's no real reason to wipe data from our database just in case it might have come from them indirectly He has since made another statement, which gives us permission to remove any uncredited, if it can be shown to be an exact match to IMDb. The idea of grandfathered data, that which can NOT be removed under any circumstances, is a myth. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 950 |
| | Posted: | | | | Unfortunately, it's not 100% match to IMdB. There are a couple extra names not given there that are listed. These credits were NOT taken from the dvd as the English ones do not match at all...so I don't think going back to the original contribution notes would really help here. If the original contributer didn't bother to make the English credits accurate...the Japanese ones likely aren't either.
I checked the dvd again tonight, and while the credits do change when put to Japanse audio, the credits are given in Kanji, not in ABC's and adding subtitles/captions doesn't do anything to the credits.
The links given by tkinnen are helpful, but I guess that still leaves me with a couple questions. One is when submitting the Japanese credits, since I can't read it, should I put the credits as uncredited? I assume that the credits are there since the credits changed with the Japanese version, but I have no way of reading them and personally can't verify outside of other websites what they're saying. Or should I say that the credits are there, but I can't read them so went to a website for the translations and leave the credits in as a normal credit?
Should I even submit this at all and just leave it local? It does need to be fixed, but I guess I don't feel comfortable giving credits that I can't read as gospel truth. | | | | Lori |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | I wouldn't use uncredited simply because you can't read them. There's a good chance the names are there, we just can't tell.
Out of curiosity I looked at the old notes and there's not much there. The only mention of credits is:
"credits and cast. I tried to keep the Japanese and English cast in approximately the same order."
What I would personally do in a situation like this would be to use dividers to separate the two lists, fix the english credits to match the DVD, but leave the Japanese cast as is and say so in your notes, something like "Japanese credits in kanji so left alone". Obviously you can still tag them as voice, but I'd leave names and roles as is. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Quoting LJG:
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Ok, just double checking before I submit, but we can't remove information that was grandfathered in from the old database, correct?
I just wanted to answer this question in a general manner. There is no such thing as 'grandfathered data'. If it is wrong, it is wrong, and can be removed. You could say it this way or you could say that every data which has been accepted by Invelos is 'grandfathered'. Anyway wrong data can always be removed if their incorrectness is properly documented. But once data is accepted the burden of documentation is put on the person who wants to remove the data. | | | | Last edited: by RHo |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote:
Quoting Unicus69:
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I just wanted to answer this question in a general manner. There is no such thing as 'grandfathered data'. If it is wrong, it is wrong, and can be removed.
You could say it this way or you could say that every data which has been accepted by Invelos is 'grandfathered'. Anyway wrong data can always be removed if their incorrectness is properly documented. But once data is accepted the burden of documentation is put on the person who wants to remove the data. 'Grandfathered' means it is considered good, even though it might violate the current rules, because it was entered before the current rules existed. When you say something is 'grandfathered in', you are saying that it is exempt from the rules and can not be removed. That situation does not exist in profiler. Whether it was entered today, or 5 years ago, all data must follow the current rules. In the case of uncredited, if you can show that it is a carbon copy of any third party DB, you can remove it...even if it was entered in 2004. I have yet to find a post, by Ken or Gerri, that says otherwise. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| | Registered: May 8, 2007 | | Posts: 270 |
| | Posted: | | | | Ken also said, Quoting Ken Cole: Quote:
Uncredited should only be removed where they are a match with a third party database. Note that they do not have to be an exact match. If they are a close match with any third party database, and there is no listed justification, it's safe to remove them. Link | | | Jim
More than I need, but not as many as I want! | | | | Last edited: by eaglejd |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 950 |
| | Posted: | | | | Well, I've posted the corrections so we'll see if it is accepted... | | | | Lori |
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